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Takeout Double with 8 HCP?

In the Better Bridge articles written by David Lindop, husband of Audrey Grant, he says you need 13 pts

to make a Takeout Double in the direct seat.

He also states that since you are likely to become Dummy  after

Advancer has named a suit, you should count Dummy pts, 5-3-1.

Thus with a 4=4=5=0 hand you may make a TO with only 13-5=8 pts.

Is this sound bidding? Counting short pts before you have established an 8-fit seems unrealistic.

Personally I prefer to base a TO on 10+ number of losers in the opened

 suit. As an alternative I count only 3-2-1 or 2-1-0 for a short suit.

Suppose you have a 3=4=5=1 hand as Doubler, what point count

would you assign to this hand in addition to the HCP?


Stig Holmquist


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