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Completely agree with boye and tony
Sept. 23, 2015
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Hi Michael That is of course the right question at this point . I just arrived home after a long trip , northern rural VT , and I have an answer but need a little time to compose it as I don't want to be flip . I remember you being a pioneer in defensive UI issues . These scandals have opened up many important dialogues in the expert community .
Sept. 23, 2015
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What is interesting here to me is that the early signs were there , He peeked in hands etc. These transgressions should be treated harshly and too many ( just a few really ) of such cheating mindset revelations add up to long if not permanent expulsion. Playing bridge is a privilege not a right. You get three speeding tickets, you license is supended for x months. , you take driver education, you get your license back because you need it to work etc. driving is a privilege yes. but also necessary in many ways. Bridge is not like driving. Everyone can live without it. Therefore since it is our club, we should be unapologetically ruthless in these situations. I suspect that a number of people knew that Steve was unethical in a matter of fact way. Going forward such people need to be outed early and then thrown out of the game if necessary ( obviously cases will vary ) We do neither the game nor the Sions any favor by cutting them slack and it is everyones duty to report these players and the leagues duty to get serious about their entire process .
Sept. 23, 2015
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the ACBL needs to rework its entire penalty system. Playing bridge is a privilege not a right
Why were they not able to give a harsher penalty?
Sept. 23, 2015
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Well you know when it is based on partners vibrations if you have two logical alternatives . It is the alternative suggested by partners vibration . If you see only one logical okay then you know .
If what you mean by intuitions is “ not logical ” then certainly you know .The opposition to this proposal is grounded in what is lost . That is not easy to describe.
“ The heart has reasons that reason will never know ” Blaise Pascal

Remember a cheater will find a way to cheat so the discussion needs to be exhaustive .
As to letting the cheaters win , BW forum has not adequately investigated how the cheaters were enabled and allowed to go so far in bridge . Who knew what and when ? We need to get at accountability . There was just too much harm done to not do that .
Sept. 23, 2015
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If a defender takes advantage of their partners tempo to determine a play it is illegal . You must rise to the occasion and do the right thing . If there is a logical alternative to the play your partner's tempo suggests then that is the play you make . You need to stay very conscious and not be devious . There are other activities that have a high expected ethic . Serious golf especially at the pro level is self regulated in that way . Pro golfers have a strong ethic to do the right thing on the golf course . This is a topic worthy of more than a cursory glance . It goes to the very foundation of the notion of being a good sportsman . The extreme and radical electronic solution is saying that we are not strong minded enough nor ethical enough as human beings to be trusted to play the right way . The elation of winning or the depression of losing never lasts . We need to look very deeply at that . Who or what wins or loses ? The satisfaction and appreciation of playing the right way from the love of the game stays with us .We need to look deeply at that . Playing bridge has much to teach us if we look for it and those teachings are available to players at every level of technical /strategic skill. .
Sept. 23, 2015
Allan Graves edited this comment Sept. 23, 2015
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Brad is absolutely correct and having a fluid tempo hard to read is one aspect of a very well trained player . The second point about reading partner is of course illegal . We need to change attitudes such that maintaining the highest ethics is more important than winning or losing We need to appreciate that we have already “ won” by being at the bridge table and our motivation is doing the right thing for the love of the game . The winning and losing takes care of itself and doesn't need to be sought . Those who are consistently successful at bridge have come to know that the whipsaw of winning and losing distracts ones mind . For a lot of players this mind is a big leap but it is a learnable , trainable and freeing way to be. If this ethic became more important many of the problems we are grappling wth would seem much more workable if indeed they arise at all
Sept. 22, 2015
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Restorative justice is a sign of a very civilized country . Expulsion can and should be combined with restorative justice . However unless we are bringing in the police re fraud charges we have no leverage .
Sept. 22, 2015
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I agree with brad completely. Sorry this should have been in the reply to this discussion section. And I still agree with him
Sept. 22, 2015
Allan Graves edited this comment Sept. 23, 2015
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Bridge is certainly a sport. a mind sport and if we can get into a sport court situation all the better. But the analogy with partnership collusive cheating and doping is a red herring . Bridge doping , alderall and the other hyper activity remedy drugs, or some super attention focusing drug yes, That is a co relation. You do it we catch, we spend, You stop shooting up and you can play , maybe…
Bridge cheating in terms of our current 3 sets of clowns are deep deep habitual patterns and social pathologies. They are not injecting themselves with Deep Habit drugs , they are manifesting t a lifetime of learned responses and if allowed to return they will re offend unless they change the pattern and that will probably take the rest of their life. Therefore we graciously, kindly, give them that time.
The incentive to confess is a valid reason to reduce life to ten years in my opinion because it is the necessary first step to dismantle the patters, but lets stop equating injecting a performance hormone with the type of pathological conspiracy of these three pairs.
Sept. 21, 2015
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Well there is no “ right to know ” the code. As Geoff Hampson said no need to put out a primer on “ how to cheat at bridge ”. You will just have to settle for the creepy thrill of staring at a train wreck. You can rest assured though that they had reason to confess, that's just common sense.
Sept. 21, 2015
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Same all over the western world. Punishment does not fix the problem.Electronics won't fix the problem. . We need another solution.
However allowing cheats like FS and FN back in would often lead to re offending as it is a deep set habitual pattern. . In sports you can just stop taking the drugs.
Sept. 20, 2015
Allan Graves edited this comment Sept. 20, 2015
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a compromise I have posted before. You can have current screens , live humans playing actual cards …but … 4 wirelessly connected bidding pads. and bridge mate scoring. The pads transmit the bidding , two bids every X seconds. Each pad registers the auction No trays, you cannot see partner during the bidding. No gadgets, no score pads , no UI arguments etc. but still live bridge and given that bid boxes are not “ real bridge ” anyway it is not such a new leap.
Sept. 20, 2015
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Tom , don't forget restitution.
Sept. 20, 2015
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Well, “ Take is easy ”
Sept. 20, 2015
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Joris , that is a very insightful post in my opinion.

Their appreciation of their love of the game. has been deeply buried under tons of the materialism of glory ,money and self grandiosity
Without cutting them any slack whatsoever for coming forward
we can , from kindness, wish them luck in discovering that for themselves.

The wisdom of no escape.

Thanks.
Sept. 20, 2015
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Geoff, with regards to your last post, perhaps the reality of this is that it can't be repaired so whatever is done will seem inadequate . When an earthquake destroys poorly designed buildings smart societies, after grieving the damage, look at better earthquake architecture and emergency procedures

We have an opening now to ask our NBO,s to allow real input from their membersto design proper procedures not only for cheating and other ethical issues , but also for all areas of bridge governance that ultimately impact the dues paying members and the game itself.

We have done a very poor job, simply though neglect, of governance oversight which is one of the most important duties of a citizen. Indeed governments need this oversight and wise governance embraces it We need to revive organized tournament bridge. It is close, if not already past , the point of no return. It is much better and much easier to accomplish that with NBO co- operation and that would be an exciting process for all concerned. however regardless of their co operation it must be done. Really, there is no other option.
Sept. 20, 2015
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moved to its own comment
Sept. 20, 2015
Allan Graves edited this comment Sept. 20, 2015
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Clearly they defrauded a number of people and tournaments. Surely that is a criminal offense. That seems to me to be leverage to at least force significant restitution.
Sept. 20, 2015
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I had a fortune cookie last night, seriously, and it read.
“ The clash of ideas is the sound of freedom ”
Most of us are coming into these discussions at varying parts of the process. I have been with this since Boye and I began meeting the second Thursday night of the Nationals and even stayed over on the following Monday so we could have one last discussion about going forward. I have had plenty of time to be angry at every cheater, , myself , the organizations , every troll. the lack of accountability and procedures etc. I can so relate with both Joel's and Ish's position. It seems that we never want either of them to play in anything important while encouraging cheating pairs to come forward.
Sept. 20, 2015
Allan Graves edited this comment Sept. 20, 2015
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