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I saw good old Meng some weeks ago. I have resisted her charms to date.

I also saw today an advertisement on BW for Bridge World, no doubt caused by my reading an issue last week.
Aug. 4, 2014
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I, too, get “Meng from China” as as advertisement on the right of the BW screen on machines that do not have AdBlock or the like installed.

It is not a pop-up. It is not in Chinese. It has nothing to do with Our Game.
Aug. 4, 2014
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“…and to this day I still get random pop-ups in Chinese”.

Google knows that David is in Australia.
Google knows that English is David's language.
Why, then, the Chinese writing?

Let's get answers from OG as to the behaviour of their software.

Then let's do a Hijackthis scan and (probably) find out the truth.
Aug. 4, 2014
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From:
http://www.sitestats.today/website-traffic-analysis-and-stats-for-ourgame.com

“What happened when Google visited ourgame.com?… The last time Google visited this site was on 2014-06-25, and the last time suspicious content was found on this site was on 2014-05-19. Malicious software includes 4 virus”

I repeat what I posted in the other article about OG:

“The *facts* that will satisfy me are:

1. Truthful answers to my questions regarding OG's behaviour

2. A Hijackthis scan/log file done before and after OG installation

All the rest is waffle and conjecture. Let's see hard facts instead.”

Henry Song has told us how he is great mates with the big boys at OG. So let's see them answer the six questions above.
Aug. 4, 2014
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You have said that you are still getting pop-ups in Chinese. This has nothing to do with “poor Chinese language skills” and everything to do with malware.

I have no interest in verified BW accounts. I am interested in *facts*.

The *facts* that will satisfy me are:

1. Truthful answers to my questions regarding OG's behaviour

2. A Hijackthis scan/log file done before and after OG installation

All the rest is waffle and conjecture. Let's see hard facts instead.
Aug. 3, 2014
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I will “be positive” once I see a before-and-after Hijackthis scan. .

Why don't you send me one?

You write:
“As I know, Ourgame has always been green and has a good reputation in China.”

David Thompson wrote:
“I pretty much destroyed a laptop… I got screen after screen (all in Chinese) with “do you agree”, “yes/no”, “do you want to install XYZ taskbar”, “do you want to set blalblah.com as your homepage”… I still get random pop-ups in Chinese on that machine that I just can't seem to get rid of.”

I don't know what you mean by, “As I know, Ourgame has always been green”.

As for their “good reputation”, thanks to DT's experience, you now know otherwise.
Aug. 3, 2014
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Yes, Chinese software firms have no monopoly on installing malware and PUPs. But that is hardly cause to sign up for a second dose, in your case. Given that you have been burnt already I am baffled as to the level of your support for OG.

I repeat that I want to see an answer from OG to the questions I posted in:
http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/a-brief-introduction-to-ourgame/

If they don't answer, we can guess the reason why.

If you want to risk your machine again:
1. Uninstall OG if it's there
2. Run Malwarebytes (free) and clean up
3. Do the before-and-after biz with Hijackthis mentioned above, and we will see exactly what it is that OG is doing to people's machine

This is a serious matter. Given your experience, it is entirely possible we could see hundreds of thousands of malware-infected machines. Your statement, “The fact that a large publicly listed gaming company is investing heavily in bridge should be celebrated” is sunny optimism at its very finest.
Aug. 3, 2014
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David:

You are assuming that OG's “stated business model” is their real business model.

This was your own experience, as posted above:

“I pretty much destroyed a laptop… I got screen after screen (all in Chinese) with “do you agree”, “yes/no”, “do you want to install XYZ taskbar”, “do you want to set blalblah.com as your homepage”… I still get random pop-ups in Chinese on that machine that I just can't seem to get rid of.”

In your article:
http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/a-brief-introduction-to-ourgame/
I have asked someone from OG specific questions regarding malware/spyware and their software. Let's see if we get an answer.

Here is a task for volunteer who wants to install OG and risk “pretty much destoying” their hardware.

1. Download and run a copy of Hijackthis:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/hjt/

It is an “enumerator that lists programs that are starting up automatically on your computer as well as other configuration information that is commonly hijacked.”

2. Choose the option:
Do a system scan and save a log file.

3. Install Our Game

4. Repeat step 2.

5. Send me both logs.

We will soon find out what OG is really up to.

I would do it myself but I don't want to “pretty much destroy a laptop”.



Aug. 3, 2014
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The late Don Evans was a great bridgeplayer, an amazing wit and had, at one time, a Sunday bridge column in Australia.

In 1978, as a junior, I played in a big event while using Negative Free Bids. I had, from memory:
xx xx AKQxxxxx A

After 1 1 to me, I doubled, 2 being not forcing.

Don wrote the hand up and placed an asterisk next to the double. At the bottom of the page was:

* Shows nine cards in the minors.
Aug. 3, 2014
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Can a representative of Our Game (OG) please answer the following questions:

1. Will OG install or offer to install any browser toolbars?

2. Will OG change or offer to change any browser home page?

3. What BHOs will OG install and what is their purpose?

4. Will OG collect any on-going information from a user's device?

5. If yes, what is the information and when is it collected?

6. Suppose a user installs OG. Do any of the following programs flag OG files as malware or spyware or as a virus?
- Kaspersky
- Malwarebytes
- Bitdefender
- Combobox
- AVG
- Norton Antivirus
Aug. 3, 2014
Avon Wilsmore edited this comment Aug. 3, 2014
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You remind me of when I saw Dame Edna questioning audience members during a Broadway show:

Dame Edna: And what sort of bed to you have, dear?

Middle-aged lady: A king-size bed

Dame Edna: Oh, I do love to meet an optimist!

So having had your laptop stuffed up *to this day* by Our Game, you want to wait and see how things go. Not me, I can tell you. You be the guinea-pig; I quite like my laptop the way it is.

BTW, try:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/combofix/
in an attempt to repair what Our Game did to your laptop
Aug. 2, 2014
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In the late 70s, after reading Tiger Bridge, I too led King from Kxx against a similar (other table) auction.

Dummy tracked with nothing except AQJ10x and declarer showed out. That was enough for me; I haven't tried it since.
Aug. 2, 2014
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Let me guess, you have never heard of The Economist magazine.

http://www.economist.com/node/13642306

Let me guess, you googled none of the above in order to find out the facts.
Aug. 2, 2014
Avon Wilsmore edited this comment Aug. 2, 2014
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Both Dean and Nat are “Yes, but…” players.

The give-away is that almost any reply someone makes is countered with a “Yes, but…” that attempts, no matter how foolishly, to refute the reply.

Anyone unwise enough to suppose that either Dean or Nat have any interest in any way in getting an answer to some topic can try posting a sound solution; shortly after you will get told that your solution is no good for some reason.

The sounder and more intelligent your answer the nuttier their counter must be, in order to diminish the value of your input. Lacking the ability to find a sound reason you are wrong, they will desperately switch tack to some personal matters.

The payoff comes, in this forum and in real life, when the group runs out of possible answers and the original poster feels triumphant in being unbeatable; he has won, the masses have found the problem insoluble. Yay!

“Yes, but…” players thrive on the argument. They have zero interest in any answer; their motives are otherwise. You can never outlast them. You can never be right. You can never win.

A description of the game, and a probable explanation of the underlying drivers is here:

http://www.thenew-renaissanceman.com/mind-games-2.html
Aug. 2, 2014
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This matter (“Our Game… Internet broadcasting of World Championship bridge play on an exclusive basis”) was discussed in an earlier article:

www.bridgewinners.com/article/view/commercialization-of-world-championship.

In that article I posted:

“I have serious reservations about doing business with Chinese companies.

Read “Poorly Made in China” (The Economist book of the year) and I have no doubt that you will do as I did - throw out any and every product made in China in my kitchen and bathroom. Conclusions from the book:

- A “QC” label is ornamental

- ISO certification is meaningless

- The list of contents on a package need have no relation at all with what is inside (google: china melamine)

- Any contract with a Chinese company is unenforceable

- Any Chinese company may be what it appears or it may be a front for the Chinese Govt. (google: huawei security)

- In the event of a dispute do not go to China. Ever. (google: china stern hu)

Doing business with a Chinese company has real risks.”
Aug. 2, 2014
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The old-fashioned pass said, “Lead a club if you have one”.

And in these days of short clubs, why not?
Aug. 1, 2014
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See The Man from Mars, Jeff Rubens, Aug 1975 Bridge World.
Aug. 1, 2014
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