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Of course it can't be primary support but I'd consider a doubleton or even a stiff A or K to be tolerance. What I'm asking about is whether this sort of double negative double eliminate opener's suit from possible places to play, and how much defense does opener need to pass?
14 hours ago
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No one has answered the question about heart tolerance yet.
15 hours ago
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Think about how you're going to use the information you get from an asking bid before you make it and start thinking about projecting the play as soon as you have some information. Making asking bids with no idea how to use the information you get is less than pointless.

In this hand, with partner being a passed hand you're on your way to 3NT unless there's a reason not to go there, such as a 4-4 spade fit. Asking about responder's diamond suit quality isn't going to tell you anything about partner's shape or reveal a reason to avoid notrump.

Always have a way to break out of an asking sequence. In this case 2NT should cancel the asking sequence and allow partner to show shape, such as a second suit. In other words, you can't afford to use it as beta. If you need a control ask, use 4 beta after discussing exactly when it applies.

An alternative to asking bids is to use relays over minor-suit positives as described in Power Precision. In this case, 2 would be a relay and partner can simply bid 2. 2NT would be alpha in hearts if I remember it correctly.

Another alternative is to use artifical responses to 1, such as the ones in Meckwell. If I were going to play Precision again, that's what I'd do.
15 hours ago
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Thanks for the history. I once used WeTransfer a lot for media files. Unless they've jacked up the price I recommend it.
June 19
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June 19
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“I posted all the information that was given to the TD. The pair never gave a system card to the TD, but the TD knows that they play Blue Club. I can't see why the question is suggesting a specific answer.”

Simon, I'm sure you did the best you could with the information available. You didn't know that it would be unfair to the EW players. Missing information that's not obviously missing is what results in people jumping to conclusions. I wasn't there so I don't know what EW actually said to the director, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if NS put on a show of anger and indignation and drowned them out. The weaker their case, the more noise the offended pair makes because they know it will slant the decision in their favor. I've seen that happen many times when one pair is stronger than the other.

If the EW pair depended on the director to make the right decision based only on his knowledge that they play Blue Team Club, then they did a terrible job of defending their position, particularly if it was a club game where I've seen rulings made by directors who were intermediate-level players at best and didn't know that there was critical information missing. Few club directors and I'm sure not all tournament directors have more than a general idea of what Blue Team Club is - if they've even heard of it. I've tried to fill in what EW would have needed to tell the director in order to get a fair ruling.

“…it seems that the player wanted to do more but could t figure out the 5D bid. So he thought for a while and bid 5H.”

“Figure out the 5D bid” is incorrect, unless you mean “couldn't figure out whether or not to bid 5.” I've already explained that point. East also had to take into consideration things like how well-tuned a partnership they were, how much experience they had bidding slams, the form of scoring, the skill of the defenders, etc.

The skill of the defenders matters when playing Italian-style cue bids. Some listen carefully to the auction and try to use the same logic their opponents are using to visualize the hand. Some sit there and block it out until it's someone's turn to lead. The probability that the opening lead will establish the setting trick can vary a lot and is a factor to consider.

“You can easily construct hands that fit the bidding with 2 diamond loosers or a heart and a diamond.”

You can construct hands that prove or disprove pretty much anything. East was in doubt about slam since the first round of bidding. The control total restricted his choices to 5 and 5. I've already discussed the reason why he rejected 5 and why West bid 6 in other posts."
June 15
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“Demonstrably suggested” is much too vague a term and a poor choice of words. Who is allowed to demonstrate anything about the hand, to whom, and for how long?

There's a reason why judicial systems reject unsuitable jurors, including those who are already biased, unlikely to have an open mind when the evidence is presented, and those unlikely to have the mental capacity to understand the evidence. Juries are required to hear all the evidence available at the time. Those who don't pay attention get replaced. I've seen it happen.

A bridge ruling isn't a jury trial but for it to be fair, the defendants must be allowed to make their case. The OP in this thread asks everyone to make an extremely uninformed snap decision and thus does a gross disservice to the EW players. It does not take into consideration that there may have been what sounds like UI to most people but that didn't matter. I've done my best to make EW's case and I hope I've convinced at least a few people that the original question was far from being as clear cut as the OP made it sound.
June 14
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I'm not sure what your question implies but I'll take a shot at it anyway.

No one is born understanding how what you say affects other people's feelings. Some parents know and teach their kids. Others don't and their kids have to learn through experience. Some adults don't care and even enjoy hurting other peoples' feelings. There are perfect examples of that in the news every day.

My parents didn't understand feelings and I'm sure theirs didn't either. I had to learn the hard way. Being taught what dignity means made a big difference as did getting married.

Oren is entirely correct that “learn” was the wrong word to use and conveys something not intended. Point taken.
June 13
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Hamish, don't you mean “the information West has about East's hand?” I doubt many people would have the patience to hear it all and reason out why West's bid wouldn't have been influenced by the hesitation, i.e., West already had all the information. This thread contains lots of examples of people saying 5 shows this or that without making the effort to learn all the factors involved. People love to jump to conclusions. That's just human nature.
June 13
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I would have said it this way “Do you really think a world-class player would be unfamiliar with LTC or would fail to assign it enough importance on this hand?” How to make a point without being abrasive is something most young people have to learn. I certainly did.
June 13
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“Would 5d have shown diamond king?”

Yes, or singleton ace.

“Does 5h deny it?”

Not necessarily. East's 5 bid is ostensibly a signoff, saying, “I have nothing further to contribute without overbidding my values and I haven't heard enough to bid a slam at this point.” It doesn't preclude West from bidding 6.

“So West assumes E has no diamond king, but does have trump Ace.”

This is a very subtle point. A repeat cue bid promises first and second round control, so East would presumably be showing the king of diamonds. But if East thinks that 5 would sound like a grand slam try and that he doesn't have the values to justify it, he's allowed to sign off. In the auctions I've studied, repeat and return cue bids appeared most often in grand slam sequences. The other Blue Team members used pretty much the same cue bidding methods. The old World Championship books contain many examples of grand slams bid after very long cue bidding sequences that were not bid at the other table.

West giving East the trump ace is not a 100% certainty, it's a conclusion based on logic, slam auctions requiring a combined holding of ten or more controls, or with only nine controls, opener trusting responder to figure out that an extra short-suit control is needed. If the ace of hearts is missing, East must have at least a side king, which can only be in diamonds. It can't be in clubs. West has the hoped-for tenth control in the form of the ruffing value in clubs that he hasn't shown yet.

“Or does the 5H bid mean something else?”

I don't know how well this particular pair understands the subtleties of Italian-style cue bidding, or if they've ever discussed what repeat cue bids imply, so I can't guarantee that West understood it to mean exactly what I would have taken it to mean had I been West.

I'm reminded of a slam bid by Garozzo and Belladonna that won some kind of award for having been the best-bid hand. The auction consisted of a long sequence of cue bids, eventually arriving in a slam. Belladonna commented that he bid the slam only because Garozzo “would not have bid so vigorously” had he not had the right cards. His statement implies that the longer one continues to participate in a cue bidding sequence, the more slam interest one has. When one has run out of “vigor” he can sign off even with an unshown control. I find that to be a reasonable interpretation of East's 5 bid. He didn't want to sound overly interested in slam and trusted West to bid it with sufficient unbid values.
June 13
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West knows for certain that there are no fast black-suit losers, so if slam is going down, it's probably because there are two red-suit losers. The king of hearts and the queen of diamonds seem likely. Opener probably has seven controls for his presumed slam interest. With only six he must be depending on a short-suit control in responder's hand. So it's reasonable to give him the ace of hearts. It's possible to apply a lot of logic to a Blue Team Club cue bidding auction.
June 12
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To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure my understanding of the UI rules is completely correct. I've never been personally involved in a UI ruling, at least not that I can remember. Ed would know.
June 12
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One of two finesses succeeding, usually finesses that only can go in one direction and are theoretically 50%. “Hook” saves one syllable and is part of the local vernacular. I don't know how widely the term is used.
June 12
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David, your auction isn't very different. I don't remember whether or not G-F had an agreement about a doubled cue bid and I don't know whether the pair in question had one. It does matter and I should have mentioned it.

Ken, please forgive me for using hyperbole. I was in a hurry to get to the club on time.

David, I don't know whether or not the director got a review with full explanations or just a review. Back when I played the system, opponents often got tired of hearing alerts on cue bids with non-obvious meanings and asked us to stop. 4 would have been alerted unless we'd been silenced.
June 12
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Dan, it seems that some people insist on using simplistic arguments to resolve complex situations because it's easy and gratifyingly self-righteous.
June 12
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David, taking things to extremes to make a point is boring. If that's the strongest argument you have, your case is pretty weak. Your opinion of Blue Team Club differs greatly from everyone else I've known who plays or played it seriously. What does that tell you?

James, see comment above about taking things to extremes.

Ken, who is qualified to say what the logical alternatives are if they know nothing about the context in which the supposedly UI=influenced call was made?
June 12
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Ted, sorry but that's a crock. 5 is recognizable as a signoff because it sounds like one. To assert that you know that it influenced West's decision when you actually know nothing about the subtle aspects of the system is ludicrous and arrogant beyond all imagination.

Overriding a signoff may have nothing whatsoever to do with the tempo of the auction. It can be based entirely on the logic, experience, judgment, and knowledge of the system that you've spent years developing and practicing. How would you feel if some opponent suddenly says that you didn't use any of those things and that your decision was based only on a hesitation, the sort of mindless decision a robot could make?

Trying to make the best decision when there are several alternatives and many factors is part of bridge. Everyone has to go into the tank sometimes to process what they know. Watch the world class players in a major event on BBO some time. You can take a shower, catch up on your email, and make lunch while they're deciding what to bid. Do you ever hear their opponents whining about the UI created by their tank when the auction eventually arrives at a conclusion? Of course not!

Why should we mortal players have to worry about our opponents deciding that our difficult and well thought out decisions are not really difficult and well thought out at all. They're robotic because there was UI. That's not bridge. It's BS. Opponents can make the same complaint no matter what decisions you and your partner make. All the opponents know is what the auction sounds like to them in the context of the methods they understand and that's a totally superficial and spurious point of view.
June 12
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So in your system of justice, if you play a complex system and partner has to think about a bid for a while, you're screwed. Ignorant opponents will say that your subsequent bidding was suggested by UI no matter what you do. Ignorant directors will believe them whether or not there's any truth to it. I'm going to excercise restraint and not comment on what I think of that.

I asked before just how much these rulings depend on the result but no one has answered. The OP hasn't specified whether the director was called at the time of the hesitation or after the opponents had seen the result. The latter is called a double-shot - a good result or a good protest.
June 11
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Had Ralph Swimer allowed Reese to play with Flint none of this would have happened. It seems like terrible strategy to me. I'm sure he had reasons but I don't remember and my copies of the books are in storage.
June 11
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