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The released statement regarding the Open and Women's Pairs Championship was a draft published by mistake. Please read the official statement below.

Open and Women's Pairs Championship - statement from the WBF President

Since it was brought to the attention of the WBF (through Roy Welland and the social community Bridgewinners.com) that the Women’s and Open World Pairs in Wroclaw each presented a scoring error, which if corrected would reverse the gold and silver medalists, a committee within the WBF administration has debated the issue with counselling from the High Level Players Commission.

Finding a righteous solution to this dilemma seemed impossible; yet due to the special circumstances surrounding these two cases, combined with the wish of rewarding the deserved winners, the WBF Executive Council has exceptionally resolved to award the titles, the gold medals and the master-points ex aequo to Auken-Welland (Germany) & Bach-Cornell (New Zealand) in the Open and to Levi-Asulin (Israel) & Pilipovic-Sver (Croatia) in the Women.

It is important to underline that this will not be common practice within the WBF; these cases will not constitute precedent. Rather the WBF will seek measures to avoid such a situation from ever occurring again.

A committee has been appointed to investigate the possibilities of catching and avoiding this type of obvious scoring errors in the future. Furthermore the committee will consider whether the current rules for result correction time are sensible.

(disclaimer: This is not really a WBF-statement :-))
Sept. 30, 2016
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That's why it should only be allowed for this type of scoring error, where a result is virtually impossible.
Suddenly remembering you did make 4spades or only went down one is too late. You have the opportunity and responsibility to check that yourself, whereas the scoring errors of other pairs you (nor anyone else) have no way to catch unless you sit down and look at the results.

To me there is a huge difference between those two types of scoring errors.
Sept. 21, 2016
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In Denmark some years ago we had the exact same situation; clear to everyone it was a scoring error (a game in the wrong side just as here) and it cost a pair the bronze.

There was a lot of heated debate (as now) regarding rules for changing results versus rightful winners.

The result was that the bronze stayed, but after the incident we changed the rules to give people the chance to go home and go over the boards, which is when most of these mistakes are caught. I think it is 48 hours from game finished. We still award the medals etc. on the spot, but should the unhappy situation occur, we now have means to change it.

As it happens, last year the scene was repeated, yet again concerning the bronze medal. However this time the official result was changed and the rightful winners awarded their medals.

I suggest the WBF adopt the same procedure, so we in the future can award medals to the rightful winners when obvious scoring errors are discovered.

Edit: typo and I would like to add that I think both pairs are terrible victims of circumstances here
Sept. 19, 2016
Christina Lund Madsen edited this comment Sept. 19, 2016
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Gonzalo, I apologise if I have offended you. That was never my intention. I simply look at how the teams you compete with have done previously and the remaining schedule. I think you have by far the toughest program and only ten VPs down to 5th.

I hope you will also bear in mind that I am Danish so of course I root for my country and may be biased.

Apart from being sorry I offended you I also think it should be possible to guess on the outcome without insulting anyone. Otherwise polls would also be insulting.
Sept. 8, 2016
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To me the only thing your predictions illustrate is how horrible a tool math is to the unpredictable game of bridge.

For instance I will bet my imaginary fortune that the Netherlands win group C and Spain doesn't qualify. Any takers?

As a side bet I say US Qs 20 VP clear, mainly because that is what I am hoping for…

Math does not include the psychological aspect of bridge - just as when you try to figure out the best way to play a hand. The ones who only go by the odds will never be the very best in the world.

That is also why a computer will never be a worthy opponent in bridge.
Sept. 7, 2016
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I would like to point out that as a journalist Francesca Canali, who wrote the above article, owns the rights to her own work, so legally it cannot be posted here without her consent, even in a translated edition.

I know Francesca and I am sure she will have no objections and maybe even be proud (she is the hardworking Italian girl who has been the photographer at the two last nationals), just think about it before posting any articles written by others.
Sept. 2, 2016
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Tom, I think it extremely presumptive of you to assume I had heard any rumours. I had not, nor did I sense the slightest unethical hint during play. Rather the contrary.

Nicholas, we all forfeited our win. If eligibility points is the same as seeding points, they only gave me 4 for the Vanderbilt with the comment I would have gotten more had I not played on this team.
Aug. 17, 2016
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Speaking as someone who unknowingly partnered and won an open national event with someone who later confessed to cheating, I can only say it ruined the most beautiful moment of my life.
Aug. 16, 2016
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Most (Northern) Europeans also dine around 6 or 7 (CET). But we adapt. To the jetlag, out appetite, the air con, and we are happy to be there.

I simply believe that being able to sit down at dinner without stress after a long day of bridge and not going to bed at 3 in the night because you cannot sleep right after game time will do everybody good in the long run.

Most players I know don't get much out of the day before game time at 1 o'clock anyway, and the fitness enthusiats will also get up at 8 to go to the gym if we play at 11. Especially since they went to bed earlier.
Aug. 12, 2016
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I think the timetable of the Nationals the biggest flaw of the event, even surpassed by scoring and having to shuffle boards and that you cannot play multi in all events. (All that aside, I adore the nationals, mainly because of the bridge and the human gallery)

I don't know of any other serious tournaments with such a late start, and I think it is only a question of habit. If the timetable is changed, it will not take long before the majority comes to appreciates the benefits of starting earlier.

The ones arguing that they need the break to rest will soon discover that when we finish so much earlier, the need for a rest vaporises.

I suggest starting time at 11, second session at 4.30 or 5, and then we can all go out for a nice dinner in the evening if we feel like it.

That also solves the problem at most nationals that the bar closes way too early…
Aug. 12, 2016
Christina Lund Madsen edited this comment Aug. 12, 2016
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Haha Gordon :-)

David, I do not claim to be a better PLAYER, but I bid the pants off most women (and men). And I think it gives me an advantage especially in teams if I know the woman sitting in my seat, since it is easier for me to imagine what she might bid than for her to imagine what I might bid :-)

This is not solely in pairs - in WBF mixed teams women also have to sit East and South.

I simply wish to be compared to both men and women in mixed. It is also a lot more fun when I talk to my male friends about the boards afterwards if some of them had the same problem at the table as I did. The current rules make the gap between men and women wider, not smaller.

Tom, though I enjoy the social aspect of mixed I do not think the seating rules should be based on social interaction. There might be women who want to sit on my side of the screen to prevent me from flirting with their partners and vice versa.
Aug. 11, 2016
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Rather the contrary, Tom. I love playing mixed especially for social reasons. And I love flirting with my male opponents and listening to Dennis Bilde flirt with his female opponents. I also have no problem being dealt the same cards as all the other women in the field; I actually consider it an advantage, since I know I often make bids the others would not (I RD a lot).
I actually think the rule is an advantage for me personally. It does not change the fact that I find it ridiculous.
Aug. 11, 2016
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Tom, I'm sorry, but with this comment:

“It seems to me that if you're going to have a pairs tournament that acknowledges differences in sex, and you care about the result, then you should minimise a randomising factor by putting women and men in the same seats across the field. That's as well as I can express it.”

you come across as extremely sexist (and I am not particularly sensitive).

If you call it a randomising factor to let women freely sit and be compared to whoever happens to be sitting in the other seats at the other tables - well, then I support randomising.

You compare a mixed PAIR to another mixed PAIR - we already compare women to women in women's events. Why on earth should we also do it in mixed?

Gary, the EBL has elimiknated the rule - not the WBF.
Aug. 11, 2016
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While we are at it, I hope the WBF will kill the rule of women being forced to sit in the South and East chairs in mixed events…
Aug. 11, 2016
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Greg, will you play a tournament with me some day?
July 19, 2016
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Oh Per-Ola, talk dirty to me…. da da dap dap da da da
July 16, 2016
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Most entertaining bridge story I ever read
July 7, 2016
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Only problem is you don't wanna cash that check - so cool you just want to keep it as a memory
July 3, 2016
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Objectification is not my general headache. In this case some non-bridgeplayers made an inappropriate video, but generally I don't mind flirting, “objectification” (if that means putting a pretty girl rather than a sloppy old man at the front cover of a bulletin) etc. as long as the participants are adherent to each other (which I think is more the main problem).

As other people have stated, the discussion has two sides:
1. Objectification of female bridge players (and tennis players and actresses and mothers and cricket players etc)

2. For women to have the same opportunities and be considered equal to men (when they are - don't give them the credit when it is not due)

I think it is impossible to think we can ever have a world in which men do not make undesired and indecent proposals or the worse - and I would think it sad if we scared them away from flirting with us. Many just don't have a sense for what is appropriate to say like the examples many of the women in this debate have posted. I have a trillion examples of the like, but that is not my concern. Some men will never learn how to act around the other sex, as some women.

The second point is my agenda.
June 27, 2016
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