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Mark, And so it goes. This whole problem started with lack of communication. As do many easily avoidable problems in life. I can’t imagine your disappointment. I feel for everyone involved. But mostly the winning errr losing team.
June 13
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Directors do not get paid nearly enough. If someone is paying a “pro(s)” to play with them, should their card fees be higher? Maybe in some games they are, please correct me if true. I’m just thinking if you can afford a pro, you can afford higher card fees and that could result in better director pay.
June 11
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No problem. It gave me a laugh when you corrected it. Thanks. A
June 10
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I think in the first thread the current winning team was quoted as saying they played their game based on knowing how the scoring was going to be applied. So that’s where I got that idea. If the DIC didn’t know which VP scale was going to be used, how do we know he even knew a VP scale was going to be used at all? If he didn’t know that, then how are the players expected to know? According to them, he declared them the winners at the end of the day. So at that point, what scoring was he using? It just seems that he maybe didn’t read the COCs or understand them (poorly written). If he didn’t - they can ask as many times as they want, but they are never going to get a correct answer on how that day’s scoring is going to work. And that seems like an unfair game.
June 9
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Ray, Hello. This was my first attempt at writing an article or poll for BW. So I’m not going to fault myself for it not being perfect. Phil Clayton was the first to suggest I have more poll options but he accidentally wrote “Damn, please add the option of…instead of Dawn, please add the option of”. And once he corrected his entry, it seemed too late. I was glad it was a typo! Phew.

I’m just trying to come up with a solution of not losing money on Nationals. And having to pick new locations adds a lot of unknowns. It’s just an idea I thought I’d throw out there and see what people thought. Thanks.
June 9
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I have a Question…from posted letter above…The DIC’s application of the wrong VP scale was corrected that evening. Here’s my question: If the DIC didn’t know the scoring method to be used, then how could this have been a fair competition?
June 9
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Alan. You seem to be the one person who has experience with something like this…so far. I’ve negotiated hotel contracts many times. It’s been my experience that the first time takes many many hours. The second time, 30 minutes. And the hotel knows our needs and can meet them. Especially the second time around. Someone posted that coffee shops close too early for us, same for the bars. The second time at a hotel - that would not happen. They would anticipate our needs.

Repeat hotels also extend me more concessions (and better pricing) the second time around because they want you back. (Assuming no peeing in the stairwells-thread up-what!!!?)

On a different but similar note, I went to Hawaii Nationals last fall and while shopping outside the venue a shopkeeper told me that “bridge people had been spending a lot of money in the stores. Last month Amway was there and they didn’t spend anything.” This is good information to have when renegotiating a location. (I know HI is out as a location)

You seem to have found a perfect location for your event. I hope if ACBL would ever consider this repeat location idea, you’d be at the top of their list to quiz. Thanks.
June 9
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Ed. An analogy doesn’t have to be perfect in every way in order to use it to explain something. I was just trying to make it clear what I was proposing.
June 9
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Ed, I miss-read your question. I have no idea how tennis tournaments are ran. Sorry.
June 9
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Kenton. Hello. The workers could still be bridge players. They would just get paid. I would also argue that it is possible to train an inherently organized person how to do a bridge job with little bridge knowledge. Most bridge players would argue that with me. But I have a very good, first hand example of this working.

When I redesigned Larry Cohen’s website he wanted me to find a bridge player who designed websites on the side. I argued that we needed a website designer first and I could explain enough bridge to make it work. Larry let me run with my idea and I think his website is one of the best. But I’m extremely biased.
June 8
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Chris, Having winter Nationals in Miami is akin to my weight listed on my drivers license…more of a goal than a reality!
June 8
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Chris, Hello. We have met before but I’m sure you won’t remember. There could be creative ways to cover these loses. For one the employees of said club could become the employees of the Nationals during that time period thereby relieving the club of that expense. I’m sure there are more creative ideas to help with this issue. What if said clubs members were incentivized to attend and a certain percentage of their entry fees went to their club? It’s definitely something that would have to be worked out. I agree.
June 8
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No worries. I lived in Reno for many years and it’s a wonderful community that just gets a bad rap — quite possibly for some good reasons. But the people are pretty amazing and Tahoe is a national treasure.
June 8
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I’m not suggesting more Nationals. Still just three Nationals a year. All with paid workers and no volunteers. Sorry for any confusion. Please see point 1 above under my reasons for repeat locations.
June 8
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Yes, current Nationals use volunteers that’s why they move the locations—so the volunteers don’t get burned out. At least that’s my understanding. I suggest no volunteers.
June 8
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I’m sorry. I must not have explained my idea well. There would be no volunteers. The jobs that are currently with volunteers would now be paid workers. I never mentioned districts, so I’m not sure what you’re saying in your second paragraph. As an example only, the fall Nationals would be in Vegas, the winter in Miami, the summer in Chicago. These are only examples not suggestions.
June 8
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Someone asked why ACBL went from 75% of it's members having less than 300 points to only 59%. I would suggest it's another indicator of fewer new members.
June 2
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1C (could be short) 2C=natural overcall and 1C (promising 3 cards) 2C=Michaels
July 14, 2016
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It appears that there is one law (Mike Found) 74C - dummy can't “needlessly” leave their seat.
So it is at the descretion of the TD to decide what is needless.

All of the other pieces of information (loss of rights and excuse yourself politely, etc.) are coming from the link I provided regarding the Vanderbilt, Springold etc. Maybe they found it necessary to add this Appendix S to clarify the law more?

I hope I didn't restate the obvious, but it was getting murky what information was coming from where and what each specifically covered.
March 23, 2016
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Does this come close to answering the question?:
http://cdn.acbl.org/assets/documents/play/Conditions-of-Contest/Appendix-S.pdf
March 22, 2016
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