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it really wasn't so much what contract we got to. it was the process of getting there that i found to be so unusual if not amusing. still won 9.9 imps for 6 +1
fwiw, the out-of-the-blue 4 bidder hand was 82, J109874, 852, 85. closer to an initial 2 overcall which, in itself, would have made things interesting depending on what one choses to bid with my hand (maybe 3 ?, maybe 2N?) the comment about another missed grand was somewhat “tongue-in-cheek” (not really serious) 6 was fine
July 18
Donald Lurie edited this comment July 18
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Dave: That's “Say kids, what time is it?”
July 17
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Seeing how the trend so far is for a 2NT response by the east hand, with your permission (or without), I would like to share with you all what transpired next. It was a first for me.
After
Pass - Pass - 1 - Pass
2NT - Pass
The next round of bidding brought this: 3 by partner and then, out of the blue, 4 by rho.
So it's now gone:
Pass - Pass - 1 - Pass
2NT - Pass - 3 - 4 -
What is partner showing with his 3 bid? 5-6 in pointed suits? What to do over 4 Rightly or wrongly, I bid 4 (Probably should Pass)
So now it's
P - P - 1 - P
2NT - P - 3 - 4
4
Partner now bids 5. (He likes to torture me) After my eyes got back in focus, I interpreted this as exclusion, presumedly for s, and bid 6 (2 w/o)
Partner now Passed 6 and i looked around for my “Aleve” bottle.

This was Partner's hand: AQ106, void, KQJ74, AKJ9

Another Grand missed.
When was the last time you played in a slam when the trump suit was first named as a response to a keycard ask at the 6-level. A first for me. Making 7.
Getting to 7 might have been much easier on partner had I responded 2 instead of 2NT to his 1 opener.
Can you all recommend a better way to get to 7?
TIA
note: I submitted this as a bidding poll to see how many might initially respond 2 to 1. My partner assured my that we might then have wound up in 9 had I initially responded 2.
July 17
Donald Lurie edited this comment July 17
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this partner, in 3rd seat, will likely be prepared for a possible 2NT from partner.
July 17
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I did. patience. will give companion hand tomorrow. it gets better :)
fun hand
July 17
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this has to do with doubling the transfer suit, not making a takeout double
July 16
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because my partner would play 3 as showing extras
July 12
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Because my partner would play 3 as showing extras.
July 12
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we try to be sensible and prepared for actions that partner might take. 6 to 9, Hxxxx: not
we try to have a reason for bidding
July 8
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thx steve. invites seems better than vague 2 which can be on much less imo
not sure that the good spades would mean overcaller has that good of hand as we try to bid s when we have the suit if reasonable.
July 8
Donald Lurie edited this comment July 8
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unless there are 50+ hcp in the deck, on this sequence, how much can advancer have for a competitive 3 (even if 2 is NFB)?
July 8
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partner on the same page? isn't that an oxymoron?
July 8
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judging from other responses, it seems as though most people are saying that they play snapdragon as showing tolerance, not 3-card support. perhaps I am wrong.
July 8
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need a way to distinguish between a minimum, presumedly 3-card single raise and a more sound 3-card single raise that is less that game invitational while staying at the 2-level: i.e. a way for this hand to limit itself better. have ways to show LR+ (2N) and mixed raise (3).
July 8
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As many may have suspected, the above was the companion hand for
KQ8, 4, 8643, QJ762 which is being polled separately. As of this writing, 22 of you (88%) voted for a 2 raise on that hand, 1 (4%) voted for 2NT, and 2 (8%) voted for a 3 bid after 1 - 1 - 2 - ?. Looking at the 2 hands combined, game has decent plays and 3X also seems to be a decent place to play the hand. How to get there if X by opener after the 3 bid by rho is a game try or maximal?
In my opinion, part of the problem here is that advancer, if X is snapdragon or takeout etc, doesn't have a way to distinguish between a merely competitive and a decent 3-card raise while still keeping the bidding at the 2-level on what may be an 8-card fit. ie: limiting his/her hand. Being able to make such a distinction would seem to be important with a seemingly increased use of negative free bids (whether partner of the NFB is aware of it or not).
Although not alerted (and likely not known by her partner - it was a pickup on BBO), the 2 bid was made on something like AJTxx of s and little outside, maybe 3-card support- i don't remember. But the 1 opener raised his partner with 3-card support leading to the bidding problem given in this poll.
Having had some idea about whether the raise to 2 was a minimal, competitive raise or a decent 3-card raise might have been very helpful on this hand. (We play 3-level Q as mixed). It might help clarify overcaller's actions as well as meanings of bids over rho's 3 bid. A the table, advancer did bid 3 after 3-p-p, but game and a penalty were missed.

Some have stated that double by advancer (instead of 2 ) would be takeout/ snapdragon/ 4th suit denying 3 spades. I accept that this is the common agreement but i wonder if, on this sequence (as well as after 1m - 1 - 2 weak) it is something that should be reconsidered.
Mike Lawrence is his Complete Book on Overcalls, actually addressed this specific sequence (1 - 1 - 2 -?) pp 281. He recommended 2 as an “aggressive raise of useful to 6-7 points” (i suspect with 3-card support), Double as “ a good, balanced raise in the are of 7-9 pts, usually with 3 trumps, 2NT as ”shapely limit raise- 4+ trumps“, 3 = ”natural-competitive“, 3 = ”mixed raise“, 3 = ”good preemptive raise“, 3 = ”weak preemptive raise“.
I don't know how many of you, if any, play this structure. (after 1m - 1 - 2 weak, he recommends X to show a LR-plus, referring to this sequence as ”an odd case".

I, personally, would find it more helpful if there were a way for advancer to be able to distinguish between a minimum and decent 2 raise and still stay at the 2-level. Maybe this is an impractical objective. If people play dbl as takeout, it would be appreciated if recommendations could be made to distinguish between a minimum and a decent 3-card, less-than-invitational raise.
I am also interested in those that recommended that the companion hand bid 3 / 2- the reason for selecting that action.
Thanks to all, Await your comments and suggestions.
July 7
Donald Lurie edited this comment July 7
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thx phil
July 7
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RR: u may be correct. I joined the kib seat 1/2 way thru the hand and was asked by a friend about the bid. I didn't notice the whole 1 hand. If 1 was a transfer, that would explain it.
July 6
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Phil:
I just kibbed a hand this evening where I thought I saw you (or maybe your P - AG) alert that a 1 rebid by opener after 1 - 1 showed 2 or 3 s in your system. Did I misunderstand or misread?
Wondering if you could please elaborate or provide the structure of bids and rebids after this points. Would be very interesting to see.Thanks
July 6
Donald Lurie edited this comment July 6
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Tom:
not according to my partner - guess who
He strongly wanted me to X as a game try/ maximal. Will be posting companion hand as separate poll
July 6
Donald Lurie edited this comment July 7
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just detected and corrected error in spade suit. change the Q of to Ace.
apologies - small font
July 6
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