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We play 3C as the weaker Bergen raise and 3D invitational. If you want to add a stronger meaning to 3C that could work well. Opener usually asks for max/min with 3D. AS long as you stipulate that the cheapest non raise shows the “maximum minimum” and any other bid shows the strong hand (void, cue or whatever you want).
Oct. 10, 2018
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Using Larry's example auction but playing Lipensohl, partner would also bid 3D as a transfer with an invitational or stronger hand while denying a spade stop. With a minimum, opener would bid 3H. Responder would pass with a minimum, but with a stronger hand, he could rebid 3S to show a semi stop (remenber he has denied a full spade stopper) or 3N to show the extra values while denying even a semi stop.

Though nothing is perfect, this scheme lets you get to the right contract more often than not, and not only with extreme hands.
Oct. 27, 2017
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Regarding stoppers, it is true that you can find stoppers later with a 3S ask. However, what do you do over a 2H overcall after a 3H transfer and partner bids 3S. There is no room for a stopper ask. Lipensohl starts with an over transfer to 3N showing game values, 5 spades and a stopper all in one bid!
Oct. 5, 2017
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some play a double is penalty. If played as negative, the double would work
Oct. 5, 2017
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Steve, If a Rubensohl transfer shows invitational or better strength, how do you show a competitive only hand?
Oct. 5, 2017
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Sorry Monty, I read your post as Lebensohl, not Rubensohl. When I devised Lipensohl, it was to correct problems with Lebensohl and Rubensohl. With Rub, the major transfers have too wide a range and can be further preempted. LIp uses transfers like rub, but with a higher lower limit. All transfers show a minimum of invitational strength. Opener now accepts the transfer with any minimum or bids the full value of his hand with extras. This left the question of stoppers and whether 3N was playable or not. This was addressed with the concept of the “over” transfer to show a stop and the standard or “under” transfer to deny a stopper.
With a weak heart hand, responder starts with 2N, a force to 3C, and then transfers to hearts with 3D.
Minor suit transfers are still wide ranging.
Oct. 1, 2017
Frank Lipniski edited this comment Oct. 1, 2017
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The problem is simple. 3D is a game force and does not show hearts! The way to show a game force with hearts is to bid 3H. Now you declare 4H and the lead comes through partner's possible Kx. Using Lip, 3D is a transfer and shows a 5 card suit and invitational or better values but denies a stop. With a maximum and only 2 hearts, opener can bid 3S with a semi-stop, 3N with a full stop or 4H with no stop to try for a 5-2 game. If opener shows a minimum by accepting the transfer, responder can pass with a minimum, bid 3S with a semi-stop or 3N with no stop. If responder holds a game going hand with 5 hearts and a spade stop, he bids an immediate 3S (an “over” transfer to hearts). Now opener can play 3N, declare 4H or bid 4D to transfer and let responder declare.
Oct. 1, 2017
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My point was not that partner forget leb, but that leb put me in a position where I had to be creative or risk the hand possibly being played from the wrong side. That was the genesis of Lip in the first place. To keep out of bad 3N contracts and to right-side the contract whenever possible. The fact that partner forgot Leb (yes it was a fluke) was just icing on the cake.
Sept. 30, 2017
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Not true. With a 5 card major, game values and a stopper, you bid an over transfer. Without a stopper, Lip says to transfer and then bid 3N (showing game strength but denying a stopper) if partner accepts the transfer With a 6+ card suit, you can use Texas transfers and have opener declare or bid 3 of the major (usually showing only a 4 card suit and a stopper) and then correct 3N to 4 of the major to declare with a 6+ carder.

Using leb, responder can't offer a game choice without declaring. With lip, either partner can declare in the major as needed.
Sept. 30, 2017
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In my partnership, a vulnerable minor preempt to the 3 level shows a good suit and a willingness to play 3N. The 2nd reason for 3 was to make it harder to find a 44+ spade fit. A simple 2 bid lets lho double (or if playing negative free bids) or bid 2S with marginal values and find their fit. Over 3 lho needs a good hand to show spades (another reason to bid again, imho)
Feb. 5, 2017
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Both 5 and 5!
S make just 5
Feb. 3, 2017
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East 100% How is west to know east has that good of a hand (this assumes 2S was intended as weak).
Jan. 30, 2017
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John, by definition 2S shows ONLY a 5 card suit. (we bid 2N with 6+). It also denies a biddable 2nd suit. Thus there is an inference that partner is minimum (no 3N showing 5332 and 15-17 or possibly 18+) either 5332 ish or a minimum with clubs (we don't support a minor immediately with a minimum). When partner supports clubs over my 2N, I know he is unbalanced (no 3N) and minimum (no direct 3C).

1N was possible, but with the spade queen, I felt the hand was too good.

Once I chose to make a game force, passing 2 was impossible. Also had I chosen a fnt what do i do over the 2 rebid (could be 3 cards)? Do I bid 3, 2N or 3N?
March 24, 2016
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Paul, your stand that 3 “told him all” neglects one thing, strength! Yes we are in a forcing auction, but I can force with 12ish and with 20. How can partner know how high to go? In addition. partner has denied 4 diamonds so doesn't my bidding 3D show some kind of extras? Also don't I want to be in 3N if opener has Ax of hearts instead of some high minor contract (not slam, and we are playing matchpoints).

I think my sequence “says it all” real clubs (no 3N), outside stops, (2N) concern about hearts (3D). True, I would use the same sequence if my club hand had improved and I was looking for slam, but this would be sorted out next round.

Playing that 2 shows only 5 spades there was an inference that partner was minimum (no 3N with 15-17 5332) and no initial club raise. When partner rebid 3C he confirmed an unbalanced minimum with club support (I assumed 54 black). My original plan to bid 3N now had to change to find some heart help. Except for the 3N?, I thought I had covered all bases.

I don't think I would have had any of these inferences had I (in my opinion) rebid 3D originally
March 24, 2016
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oops!

I just noticed that I made a mistake on opener's hand. It should have been:

AJ10xx
x
98xx
AQx

I know that this is a MINIMUM, but my bidding would have bid the same regardless.

I tried for split diamond honors but no good

March 24, 2016
Frank Lipniski edited this comment March 24, 2016
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Doesn't 3 (when partner all but denied 4) tend to show a more distributional hand with no interest in 3N (something like 64 in the minors with no heart card) and looking for a high minor contract? Playing matchpoints, shouldn't we try for 3N if possible? I was on my way to 3N until pard bid 3. I now was unsure of 3N and so showed diamond cards (and I thought) asked about heart cards. If we rearrange opener's hand:

A10xxx Kx xxx AQx 3N is the place to play.

Also in the hand change you submitted, opener would always bid 2 not 2
March 23, 2016
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Went down 3. Both honors were on my left and he led An honor then shifted. Righty eventually got in and led a heart and away went troubles down the drain!
March 23, 2016
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With such weak diamonds, I would have suppressed them to rebid 2S and limit my spade length and imply a minimum. I like Ron, play that an immediate minor raise shows extras, so the 2 followed by 3 shows the minimum club raise. Personally I liked the auction until the 3N bid!
March 23, 2016
Frank Lipniski edited this comment March 23, 2016
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It was a first time partnership and my partner did bid 4. Not sure of his style, I passed and only later thought of 5. I asked my regular partner and he said he would have bid 2. Though my opening bid would have been 1H, in defense of the 2 bid, we play controls and so nothing really bad can happen since opener is in control.
March 4, 2016
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Does not help in USA
Dec. 13, 2015
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