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I held this hand and passed.

N: AQJ954 A KQ J652

S: 10863 74 8 AKQ973

W: K 1063 AJ109743 84

6S was cold -1430 was about -10 impsa

7h is -4 -800

After thinking about this hand i agree with Richard and the others who chose to bid (well done imo) that our chances to beat 6s are not good enough. In 7H we can expect to take 6 heart tricks and 2 diamond tricks and maybe a sp ruff so it is 800-1100 still far from 1430. We need to beat 6sp about 25%-30% if we allow them to play it and it looks like we have less. The risk is maybe in case partner has KJ10XXXX or so in diamond we could pay much more. In that case the fact that they can make 7s would not be relevant because they were not on the way to it.
Oct. 17
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3nt.

North can't have 15-17 balanced (1nt) nor short clubs with 5 diamonds like 4351 (he would x) so i think he has 6 diamonds (and 2+ clubs as 3 3 6 1 he might x )

Partner also is not likely to be void in diamonds as with 4 cards M suit he would bid it and with 3 3 7 0 he might x too.

So they can't run the diamonds.

If partner has 2 Aces and clubs run (probably should) 3nt will be easy but a lot of hands with a high card in each M will do.

I expect partner to have something like KXX AX X KQJXXXX
Oct. 16
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Nice idea. Can be used. “Put a pretty shining diamond on the ring and propose me again…”
Oct. 16
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Hi Richard. As much as i understand x is used for guarbage hands usually 0-3 or some 4 points. After the bidding my hand improved so much that i must do something about it. You may bid 6h over 6c bypassing 6d if you like but over the imediate 6h partner will never be able to bid 7 whatever he holds. This “innoccent” looking hand (even after the 2s overcall) became to be a monster after the 4s 5h bids. Is it your duty to tell it to partner? NO! it is your duty to scream it! Anyway 5s does not tell i have x points or more it only tells partner that if he has a desent hand for his bid so far i see a fair chance for grand.
Oct. 15
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4 questions that we have to ask:

1. is it safe to bypass the 5 level? I think yes.

2. Is grand possible? I think yes. XX AKQXXX AQX AX is definetly not too strong for 2c + 5h.

3. Is my void in sp likely to be a usefull unformation to partner? probabaly yes unless partner holds the ace of sp.

4. Should partner expect more than what i have if i bid 5s? I have 4 cards support void 1 control and sorce of tricks. As I passed 2sp with a void in opps suit i can't have much more for my pass (Whatever sensible agreement i have with partner). Anyway i don't think he will go to 7h if he needs me to have a viod + good fit+ source of tricks and 2 key cards in that suit. I would never pass 2sp.



So 5sp is my choice.
Oct. 15
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2h. Partner has some points as both opps passed. If he has strength in hearts i want him to play 3nt. I will bid 3nt over partner's response of 2nt 3d or 3h but if he bids 3c i will pass. If so he is likely to have 5 clubs thuogh with QXXXX and something more (KD for example) i would expect him to bid 3h as 2h by me is a very strong bid.
Oct. 15
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I would have x playing imps as -200 is not terrible and opps rarely x. At mp they don't need much to x so pass.
Oct. 15
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Partner informes me that 4hx= is not enough on this hand. That means blood. I expect +800 or more from 4spx.
Oct. 14
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Thank you Paul for your reply. It was interesting in terms of the bridge discussion but has been very helpful to me in a different context. I didn't know exactly what debater meant, so I turned to Google who referred me to a fascinating IBM project called PROJECT DEBATOR.
I watched a whole debate between a man and a machine. Thank you very much. By the way, I learned that the process has a stage where a party asks questions as a technique of the process. I guess that's what made you ask what you asked. I am curious if you have anything professional with debating.

Nice day

Itzik
Oct. 14
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I opened 3rd hand though vul. Partner second x is very risky so he must have a good hand. i expect 10-11 points and probably 3 cards is sp though he might have also 2 cards in sp. If 2sp is -1 we will get a top. I will take my chances with 2spx. What was the layout?
Oct. 13
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Thank you for your comment and to all others who joined the discussion.

I would like to ask some questions related to what you and others wrote.

1. Is it right to assume that opps will need much more “guessing work” over 4s than partner? Isn't if fair to say that any good hand that each opp has is a problem?



2. Should partner expect the overcaller to have a very narrow range of odr (defence offence ratio) as all other preemptive bids? if not wouldn't he pass 5x unless he has a good fitting hand?

3. Is it fair to assume that partner will bid 5sp only if he has a fit and also shape? if so wouldn't it mean shortness in hearts? Would it then be so bad?

Would it be fair to assume that if opps misguess they might lose a lot of imps? (for exampe double game swing) and if partner misguesses and bid 5s over 5m then we pay much less?


If so is 1sp the “percentege call” as sggested by Andrew and probably is the common opinion among the voters?

Nice day.

Itzik
Oct. 13
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x from partner is an open invitation to sacrifice at 5 level. NOT a way to insure that my possible qxx in trumps won't take a trick.

Partner should have very good shape for his bid. void in sp is very likely maybe 0544 KQXXX XX AJ10X or so.

I think We will make 10-11 tricks in clubs and opps will make 9-10 tricks in sp maybe depending on kd position. So 4NT.
Oct. 13
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Imo this is a very important problem that can be used by a player or partnership in one specific point. I guess all of you agree (including those who prefered 4s) that by bidding 4sp We lose flexibility (we might belong to 6h or even 3nt or part score only) and cooperation with partner as he can't imagine our shape and defensive power (and might guess wrongly later in the bidding).

(I will assume that flexibility is not so important because usually 7-4 should be played well in the long suit even with fit in the second suit).

But i hope all of us agree that 4sp has a point too. In case opps has the balance of power it puts a lot of pressure on them. Remember north opened the bidding. He might be strong , he might have shape and so is south.

If so opps will be under a heavy pressure if i bid 4sp. Suppose south has a good hand with 5 clubs with 1 3 4 5 shape should he bid 5 clubs or pass? how could he possibly know if his partner has 5 clubs and 3 small spades or 3 clubs with kq10x in spades?

If you agree with that then you have to ask yourself two questions: 1. Do we always have to focus on partnership bidding and never sacrifice it to gain other values or we should prefer rarely to do the oppsite if we think that in a specipic ocasion it is justified?

2. If the answer is “no” then the next question should be: is this hand justifies this or not.

For me the first question is clear so i have to go to the second quesion.

I think that in this case the damage to opps bidding could be so big that it justifies 4sp. South might have also diamond suit and will not know if his partner can support it or west has them.South might have 1354 shape and will have the same guess.

Also north might have a problem. Suppose he opened with 18 points with KQ10(X) in sp what should he do after 4s p p if x is not penulty? probably he will pass and get 150 instead of +430) and if x is penulty what will he do with good hand and short sp?


One more thing: suppose we open the bidding not north. This is different. Or suppose north opened 1h and we have A10XX in diamonds that is something else too because north told much of his story so 4s would be pointless.

You might disagree with me that this hand justifies the sacrifice but with all due respect i would advise you to think about the question and if there are hands that are right for this purpose. Then you can ask partner if he agrees.
Oct. 13
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I would bid 4c last round showing both sp+ good clubs.

If partner has club strength and cards he is invited to bid 5s over 5h.

If not he is invited to lead a club.

For example: KQXXXX XXX XX QX CLUB LEAD WOULD BE NICE.

KQXXXX XXX XX QXX 5C BID WILL BE FINE UNLESS
CLUBS ARE 3-3 AND SP 2-1
Jan. 4
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Andrzej i like your advice. Here though i didn't open a discussion but the votes are a big surprise for me.

I really have to think about it.

Your advice is very intresting as quite often i do exactly what you wrote and only from time to time i succeed to develope a meaningful discussion as you describe.
Dec. 10, 2018
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3NT. If partner has a stopper 3nt will be usually fine.

In case west has AKQXXX OR AKQXXXX it will be bad (UNLES PARTNER HAS JXXX) that is very rare and i will bet against it happen.

But if honors in sp are devided between opps then it won't be easy for them.

Holding something like AQJXXXX west might lead a heart

If east doubles for sp lead i can still run.

Partner is still there if he has good long suit in hearts that will make 4h a good bet.

For example : XXX QJ10XXX X XXX

1 more thing: if partner has the right hand for 3nt he will probably not bid it if he is weak for example:

kxx xxxxx xx xxx he will bid 4h
Dec. 9, 2018
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7D. Pass was forcing and whatever side suit partner has i have what is needed for the grand. 6S won't get us more than 500 if west has any idea about the game. My guess is that he knows what he does and his 4sp aimed to shut us up sacrificing the chances of a slam in fabor of improving the chance for + 620/650. Well obviously he did not succeed here. Can both north and west have 8410 patern? I think it's very likely.

For exampe:

AQJXXXXX KQXX - X

- X AKQJXXXX AQJX

6S is -1 7d is on.
Dec. 6, 2018
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Well i am not an excellent bidder but this is a very intresting hand so …

West has hearts and east is likely to have 3+ cards in hearts so it looks like he has spades too. I'd bet he has 4 cards in sp else he might have bid 2s or 3h.

So if partner has 13-15 balanced it is a partscore hand and if he is stronger we probably belong to 3nt as partner must have some hearts too. Sometimes we even might get to 5d if partner does not have wasted values in hearts.

If so 3d is best (wheter we play lebenshole or not) and by showing some strength and good suit we pave the way to partner to bid 3nt.

If it goes pass pass 3h then i bid 3s to show my second suit. I would expect partner to bid 4d over it but sometimes he will be able to do better.

Playing in sp might be very painfull if we lose control and don't take our diamonds. 3d looks much safer. We will be able to take our diamonds and some sp tricks too.
Nov. 27, 2018
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It is very easy to tell if partner has spades or hearts. Just pass and some minutes later during the play you will know.
Nov. 27, 2018
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You are right. I didn't explain it so well.

In the example i gave east opened 3d and partner bid 3nt. I just wanted to show that with the same shape and heart cards almost all of you bid differently- PASS over 3nt but 2d over 1nt. I find it amazing but as the votes show there is a big difference between the 2 cases.
Nov. 26, 2018
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