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To Randy Thompson and Cornelia Yoder, I appreciate your passionate Anti-Drury views. Yet, you have a misinterpreted understanding of how this convention came to be. Most articles that I have read and researched about this convention claim that Douglas Drury(the inventor) invented the 2C bid as a self-protection device against Eric Murray's consistently light/psychic bidding in 3rd chair. Most stories that I have seen had auctions where Drury/Murray were in 3M down 2 sometimes doubled after Murray would open a traditional(to him) light 1M opening in 3rd chair and Doug would boost him to 3 with a normal 10 count with trump support. Originally, the Drury Convention did not even confirm a fit. It was not intended to protect a Roth-Stone player who passed a 12 or 13 count in 1st or 2nd seat. Also, since the convention did not promise a fit, it did not really “protect” anybody until Reverse Drury was created.

My question to Bridgewinners readers is for those who play Reverse Drury is how big of a drawback is it to lose the negative double by a passed hand in order to play the treatment that a double by a passed hand is Drury? Also, what is the percentage of people that are using some version of Reverse Drury(1way, Golden, 2way) are using mixed raises within that structure?


PS—I wish the convention was renamed Reverse Murray not Reverse Drury.
Aug. 31, 2019
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For me, this question about 4way xfers is immaterial. The better one is what does a new suit at 3 level by responder mean? That would be a good poll not this one which ends out being like the Hatfields and the Mccoys.
Aug. 28, 2019
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In my area, one has to have it marked even though most good players upgrade. I hate it because I upgrade in all ranges.
Aug. 16, 2019
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Joakim and Marion, Barry Rigal had mentioned switching the 2NT opening from the traditional 20-21 to 22-to a bad 24(It was in one of the Vegas NABC bulletin's) due to frequency. I actually faced a pair in the Round of 16 matchup in the GNT Flight A who played such methods. With the traditional 20-21 balanced hand, one opens 2C and responder has a few additional options like 2NT bid by responder to show long diamonds(weak or strong) or 2S by responder to show the same thing for clubs. The drawbacks to the switch is that it can crowd auctions when the 2C opener does not have a balanced 20-21.
Aug. 13, 2019
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3C—-If I get the response that shows 5H(3H or 3NT), I bid 4H. If I get the response that shows 5S(3S), 3NT. If I get the response that shows 1 or 2 4 card majors(3D), 3NT. If I get the response of no majors 4 or 5(ie 3D or 3NT), then I bid 6D. I do not like 4S because that should be used with hands without a 3 card major or a better suit(Kxxxx does not inspire confidence).
Aug. 6, 2019
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If my partner plays 4 as forcing, that is my call. If my partner does not play 4 as forcing, 6 is my call.
July 28, 2019
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Automatic recorder form. The offending pair needs a monitor for the next game.
July 28, 2019
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For me, 2019 NABC Las Vegas was cool. I only played the GNT Flight A event(my team lost in the semis). I wish that I have stayed longer but I had my obligations. The Cosmo was an interesting hotel for the playing site. That hotel's demographic seemed to cater to a certain age demographic(16-45) that may not have been well suited for ACBL's demographic. Day 1 and Day 2 of the GNT had some lighting issues(aka the lights went out briefly in both days usually sometime in the evening). Day 3, the lightning was much better in the screens room with some flickering from time to time. Day 4, everything was fine. As far as food options were concerned, one can anything one wanted if one was willing to look. For my team, we found a place on the Strip that allowed us to eat grilled salmon with mashed potatoes with carrots complementing the dish for $5 before tax. I believe it was a bar called Oceans something(For those who have Google) or another.
July 27, 2019
Joe Veal edited this comment July 27, 2019
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Methods are important(is X penalty, or front of the card), also how strong are my competitors(are they C players or better). My answer changes unless these questions are answered.
July 27, 2019
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I liked it David.
July 23, 2019
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There are few differences between this case and Chris's. Chris's had a slow 3NT after a values oriented X of a Unusual 2NT while N9 had a slow pass where pard took advantage with a penalty double. Both cases should have rolled back,N9 gets rolled back to 3H down 2 with no double while Chris's gets rolled to 3NT.
July 14, 2019
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This should be rolled back to 3NT…
July 14, 2019
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My answer is very different from everybody except for one person, Bobby Wolff. The reason for the demise of bridge in 2040 began in the 60's. Bridge at that time had an exalted position over chess due to the Goren effect. Chess had no hero and was considered a game for socially maladjusted individuals while bridge was a rite of passage for many families. Then around the 70's partially due to Bobby Fischer but mainly due to Bill Goichberg, USCF decided to enter the scholastic market in order to ensure its future by holding national championships at the elementary, middle school, and high school levels. This work has continued to this very day where scholastic chess is the lynchpin of USCF's success before Rex Sinquefeld ever decided to create his chess oasis in St. Louis. ACBL did nothing hoping that the 60's model of getting the college kids interested in the game would be sufficient. ACBL's model was ok in the 70's and 80's but when the late 80's arose, ACBL had a problem. They were not getting enough college kids to pick up the game. The irony was that there were people in ACBL that knew that promoting the game to school age children was the correct move. From my reading of ACBL's past, there were diplomatic missions to China in the 70's in which Bobby Wolff participated in order to promote bridge as the world's best game. For some odd reason that cannot be explained, ACBL turned a blind eye to the success of this diplomatic mission and did not expand their reach in the US to school age children.

The only way that bridge can exist in 2040 is that ACBL has to change its focus from the middle age retiree to the scholastic bridge player(elementary up to high school senior not the current model ). With this change, there has to be elementary school, middle school, and high school bridge clubs in all states with a state championship on each level. There has to be a training program for all bridge teachers with significant discounts for teachers of school age children. Also, there has to be a emphasis on more directors to run the aforementioned tournaments. Without these changes, bridge is dead.
July 13, 2019
Joe Veal edited this comment July 13, 2019
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It is a mild preference to HS as initials instead of SH with no issues with the co-inventors. I did not want to call it Veal because I created no treatments(just compiled them)and wanted to give credit where it is due.
June 18, 2019
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I call this HS for Herrmann/Spear.

2NT=Puppet to 3C, then 4M is to play.
3m=Natural and forcing
4C=Bid the suit one beneath his suit so that advancer can play the hand
4D=Bid your overcalled suit
4H=P/c

For the reasoning for the 4C through 4H call please read Herrmann/Spear's last post. The 2NT puppet allows 3 of a minor to be a natural force for the small cost of wishing to play in 2NT.
June 17, 2019
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My suggestion is a 48 board IMP match on BBO to settle the dispute. I doubt it will happen but that would be my way of settling this dispute. The reason is that after the qualifying Swiss, GNT's regardless of category are usually decided in KO IMP matches.
June 5, 2019
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Oh, joy, another Bridge World death hand(BTW Liam, Emily Middleton posed another hand like this one about a month ago.). The options are the same: the honest but heavy double jump to 3 of a minor or fudging a jump shift to the other minor(Emily's other minor was a singleton) or the other major. The issues are the same: bid 3 of same minor and miss game or slam or JS in other minor or major and get raised until the cows come home. For those who have a way out of this mess(aka 2C as Gazilli would help), kudos.
June 3, 2019
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To Ken Rhodes,

I guess that I did not make my position clear. I do not believe that the 2C overcall is a recorder form. If one writes this hand up in a recorder form, the recorder should throw it away as frivolous. To me, it is bridge. Please note my opinion changes if the colors are different or the 2C overcaller is in direct seat. If a opponent did this action to me, I would take my result in stride even if I needed the board to win the Blue Ribbon Pairs. On a side note, in Europe, psyches are given colors depending on how extravagant the action was taken. This would be defined as a mild psyche/hyper aggressive overcall.

My reason for the last note of the post is that most A players know what to do with frisky overcalls/and or psyches(ie trap passes etc). This hand is an educational opportunity for intermediates who play support doubles to learn how to catch the overcaller. The only thing that this post benefits the public is learning about the trials and tribulations of recorders like Robb Gordon dealing with frivolous recorder forms like this one.


PS—Please note I am with Jim and Ken if the overcaller decided to bid 1NT instead of 2C.
May 16, 2019
Joe Veal edited this comment May 16, 2019
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Ginossar/Williken were in 7NT on these cards making with the same heart finesse onside.
May 15, 2019
Joe Veal edited this comment May 15, 2019
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I held a hand that was similiar to North's holdings without the J of clubs(Jxx x JTxx QT9xx, 3 HCP) recently with the same vulnerability. My RHO opened 1D in 2nd seat after my partner's pass and like the North player in this example overcalled 2C. Suffice it to say, my opponents missed a cold 3NT. Please note that I was in a regional pairs game playing with a pickup partner against a local A pair. I was willing to accept the 2 possible bad results of this overcall(partner X'ing a game or bidding too high) for the benefit of putting a cog in the works. I guess under Mr. Perkins's dichotomy, I am an evil psycher that should be punished by the recorder.

Mr. Perkins, we want recorders to deal with REAL issues(aka fielding true psyches) not an aggressive 2 level overcall at favorable vulnerability(that most B players worth their salt would do every single time, A players may even get creative and psych 1NT) opposite a passed hand. If I was a recorder and I saw this case, it would be thrown in the wastepaper basket because it is a waste of time. If recorders receive too many of these ridiculous reports, they will spend less time on the stuff that really matters(aka fielding psyches, behavior issues, and suspicious behavior).

PS–This is for the moderators. Why hasn't this post been booted to the intermediate section? This discussion has more value for players new to these type of tactics(aka how to deal with light interference(trap passes).).
May 15, 2019
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