Join Bridge Winners
All comments by Joerg Fritsche
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
I am sure, Poland will “do the right thing”, whatever that may be in the end. But it seems this case is different from the others, so we all should wait for clarification.
As there is no seen proof, that B/Z did anything wrong in Opatija, there is no reason for now to assume that Poland must withdraw as a team.
Sept. 27, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
Yes, I had. Normally I played at the table of B/Z, only in Opatija 2014 we missed us.
Sept. 26, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
I am with Andy. I like them both and liked to play against them. As far as I remember, we won all our matches since 2012 against them. And I never felt cheated. Either we are sheep or it is something else or against Andy and me they never felt the need to do anything special.
Sept. 26, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
Or they could put a second host-team from India in if it is for movement reasons. But I am sure, if B-Z had done something similar in Opatija as F/N, F/S or probably P/S, Poland would be out. So we just have to wait for clarification.
Sept. 26, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
Gene, I wasn't asking for sympathy. I tried to express, maybe failed cause English isn't my native language, that the federation missed to handle the doctors years ago. They tried, they failed, they gave up. And players gave up to. If that hadn't happened, the coughing affair in Bali hadn't happened, cause this pair would never had any appearance on a national team. And I am not even trying to excuse that.
Sept. 24, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
I only know how I put the cards, after I watched the video where I was playing against F-N.
I am a diagonal guy, with a sometimes tendency to verticalness. Never noticed before, never thought about that before.
So how should I have the idea to watch, how opponents put their cards? I have to concentrate on my own bridge playing against the best of the world.
Admiration for Eddie Wold, who managed both against the doctors. Coughing might be better noticable, but still a great job.
Sept. 24, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
I am sure the German Federation could write down, how they tried to get rid of the doctors and failed. I fear, they can't publish it, as there might be another law suit by the doctors then. Unluckily, as far as I remember, they only tried it once. And you will find a lot of players in Germany, who can write down, how the Federation did NOT try to get rid of them.
Which had nothing to do with cheating at those times, but with a behaviour far outside zero tolerance.
Sept. 24, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
There is a difference between sharing with a community and sharing with the authorities. We obviously see, that the first was not done, but how do you know, that the second is not the case?
Sept. 23, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
I have an agreement. I show length in with the card I play after the -K. High means I had 5 at the beginning, low means I started with 6. Unless it were necessary to give a suit preference, which isn't the case here.

Added: Good to talk about bridge now and then
Sept. 22, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
But your chances to win are still better with only a few days preparation to play against an honest pair than with weeks of preparation against suspected cheaters whose methods you don't know.
So this is an improvement for everybody and India might advertise with the cleanest Bermuda Bowl ever (nobody knows, whether that is true but - that's marketing)
Sept. 22, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
It looks as if IBF has a clear process running and feels responsible to inform the public promptly of progress. Congratulations for that!
I know, in Germany at least some things are going on, maybe it is kind of easier with the confession by the pair.
Does anybody know anything about Monaco? I found nothing on their homepage, I never saw a statement from Pierre and only on the fantoni homepage it is written ‘We will not comment on allegations at this time reserving our rights to reply in a more appropriate setting’
Sept. 21, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
I am not going to flag your article, as I think your content is quite good. But, being german, i really don't like your headline. ‘Germans and other cheaters’ implies for me, that Germans are cheaters by default and there are also some others. For now, we have a double quota compared to Israel and Monaco, but the total number is too small to give this a statistic relvance.
Sept. 21, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
OMG David, how much would we have lost against you, if there hadn't been ‘violations of ethic behaviour’? They were too high in 7 to loose 9, too low in 9 to loose another 9, 4 in 12 for the wrong partscore and a lonely misplay in 14 for another 11. Not forget the one, where they were down in 5 instead of making 5. No idea, how normal methods avoid 5, but if they had extra weapons …?
10 were lost at my table when we were in the wrong game with the wrong guess and 10 were won at my table for a shaky 3nt which made after Tony led the wrong suit. And we beat a game, that Tony might have made with better guessin. Perhaps that was the burner, as P-S were only in 2.

So I wonder, would we have scored even less than our 2.55 VP if no crime had been committed? Or is it just the proof, that crime doesn't pay?

Added: Not saying of course, that no harm means no punishment. I was just wondering, how that match might be a good example of their methods.
Sept. 20, 2015
Joerg Fritsche edited this comment Sept. 20, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
So with lots of thoughts and discussion about this last night I want to add a few things as a betrayed teammate, which seems to be a special kind of victim of cheaters.

We were not only teammates but also friends, so it hurts even more to be betrayed. I don't think, that they would have had so much worse results without whatever they did. So I would still have played with them, they didn't do me a favour with cheating.

Last year in the champions cup they carried our team to the 2nd place behind Italy and it was the other table, who missed gold. If that was by illegal methods, it is worth nothing now.

Last year in opatija we could have played fourhanded with Roy and Sabine to at least the same result, even together with any suitable 3rd pair to have a break now and then. If some of their good boards weren't possible without (how do they call it?) ‘some ethical violation’ and the bad ones were obviously still there, the result without them might have been even better. But now we lost our place in Bermuda, we will/should certainly loose our place in this years championscup.

What about the German league? I played (and won) with them for 3 years. Because of their abroad engangements they couldn't paly each of the 3 weekends. 2013 only Piekarek played with another partner, hopefully clean. We had after 9 matches an edge of 34 VP before the runner-ups. 2014 we had “only” one match edge before the 2nd team. P-S only played the last weekend, played horrible and reduced our lead to that. But formally we will loose that championship if they “violated ethics” that weekend. 2015 they also played one weekend after we didn't have a good start without them, so they had substantial contribution to the win. So also forfeited probably.

Bye-bye medals, bye-bye masterpoints. I am not a bridge pro, I don't need them in my vita to make a living of it, i can stand it. Anyway, from my 4 national medals this year so far, they only contributed to one.

But nobody can give me the time back I invested on nothing now. I could have played with honest teammates and probably have won easily, I could have done something totally different with family or friends. Would have been of more use.

After the evidence against Pair 1 and Pair 2 I was thinking, how a belated bronze-medal for Opatija might feel. I don't shed any tears over it, cause it wouldn't feel any near a bronze medal won at the bridgetable.

So my yesterday's praise of their confession was perhaps a bit premature. I compared it with doctors, F-S and F-N, there it looked somehow brighter than it really is.

What I expect now
- full disclosure in which tournaments the ‘violations of ethic’ took place, so that the results can properly be cancelled
- an apology would be nice, hopefully at least Sabine and Roy have already received kind of
- full disclosure of the method

About the method, I am still not sure, whether it should be public or not. On the one side, someone might copy and ‘improve’ it, if it is publically known. On the other side, the method is perhaps useless for other as soon as it is known.

About the punishment: I am not the judge. Neither are they their own judges. But I take Alex's statement as the miniumum of self-punishment they give themselves. What I am absolutely sure of: no matter for how long they are banned and when they may come back, they may never again be allowed to play in the German open (or seniors) team. That demands flawless ethical behaviour and that can never be restored after now.
Sept. 20, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
Nice one, Roy ;)
Sept. 19, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
I am not going to defend the doctors and it is not an excuse: but at least they were never professional players. Only in the Cavendish they earned some money in one year. All other tournaments they “only” stole honour.
Sept. 19, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
I'm with you Sabine. I've played the Bermuda 2 years before (not knowing now whether it was legitmiate) and now finally I am glad, I wasn't on the German team this year.
You and Roy will get another chance, I am sure!
Sept. 19, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
Alex and Josef, a lot of courage is needed to do what you did tonight. I can't say that I am proud of you, that would be blasphemous in that context. But your confession without (public) proof of wrongdoing is so much more than we have seen the last weeks from the other two pairs, so thank you for that.

Of course I am sad, that all the successes we had together in the past might be worthless now. Every single IMP we earned at our table when we played together, was honestly earned.

So I won't say “sorry” to our opponents as Sabine and Roy did, I had no idea of anything being wrong and have nothing to apologize for myself. But of course I give back every medal and every masterpoint I earned in a tournament with you where you did something wrong. It's up to you to clarify that.

Perhaps we can still try to remain friends.

Sept. 19, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
I remember a mail-conversation before the Bermuda Bowl 2014 in Bali. Rohowsky and I had published our convention card (Transfer Walsh System) with 8 supplementary sheets. Our 2-opener included weak with both majors, which was explained as 5+4+ on the card, also the undisturbed follow-ups. 2 weeks before the championship I received a mail from the organizers with the question of another captain, what after 2 - (x) our xx means. I duly explained it of course, and due to our general agreements the meaning depended, whether the x was just points or takeout or only showing a -suit. Then I was asked to add that explanation (8 lines of text) to my convention card. F-N had 6 supplementary sheets, one polish pair had 3 (the others none), USA I 4 pages (2 pairs none), USA II 4 and 3 pages (1 pair none). So I refused to add it to my card. You somewhere have to draw the line between 150 pages of system description and the things you enter in the convention card and the suplementary sheets.

I very much support full disclosure, but it should be same right for everyone. And anyway, you need general agreements as a top pair. It is not possible to read and discuss 100 pages of opponents explanations before a match of 16 or 20 boards. But that can't mean, that conventions have to be forbidden. Especially if they refer to known suits (2 is + if weak, 1 - 1 is , and so on) everybody on that level, we are talking about the Bermuda Bowl, should be able to handle those conventions as opponent.
Sept. 19, 2015
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
I can't recalculate results as fast as potential disqualifees are identified. Option 3 would give us silver, Option 4 won't help that much, we won against Monaco. Any chance for Option 5: Germany - England is cancelled because it was so early in the morning? That would help us a lot ;)
Anyway, tonight after office I have to check our Match against Monaco. It is not in Kit's list, but there is a video of Rohowsky and me playing against Fantunes. Till now, I had no reason at all to watch that one.
Sept. 14, 2015
.

Bottom Home Top