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Sorry, that's too much. The better of your average or their opponents average is already pretty sweet. Presumably they are withdrawing because they have had abnormally low results. That suggest you would likely not do as well despite your superiority.

Teams that have scored badly because they are bad and expect to score badly don't withdraw. Teams that think they are better than their score and want to fight another day withdraw more often IMO.

So the reciprocal result is likely too high, not as you deem too low.
6 hours ago
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Yes.

It helps to play kickback, as this gains you a step, but that is not required.
12 hours ago
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Why? Your comment above deals with withdrawing team being bad… reciprocal score deals with that. If the withdrawing team was giving everyone else 15 vps, then they are presumed to continue to do so. It's a round robin, so there is no notion of playing weaker teams as you lose, you play everyone.
13 hours ago
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Unlike the other thread, I agree with David :-)
13 hours ago
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But Phil, we can teach this to our club players and have all sorts of fun with them.
13 hours ago
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forfeiting team gets zero of course.
14 hours ago
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In a round robin with a forfeit, award the team the higher of
a) It's own average VPS
b) The reciprocal of the forfeiting team's VPs (20 - n) for matches played
c) Average Plus (12 VPs on a 20 scale)

The WBL round robin encodes this into it's conditions of contest. You could do the same for round robins in a KO.
14 hours ago
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David, rethink this. The double happened in the past. Pollees must consider this hand, not doubler's hand.
Aug. 15
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I might not preempt if my Q93 were in spades. As it is, If we do have the heart fit that might otherwise slow me down, then the opps probably have a Spade fit.
Aug. 15
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2 3 = Hearts and a minor, forcing. (Typically 5,5 with good HCP, likely willing for 3N or just too strong for 4m.)

2 4m = Hearts and a minor, non-forcing (typically 6 card minor, weaker hand)
Aug. 15
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I play leaping Michaels is not forcing, so this one is easy for me. If I have to have a hand that can game force opposite a misfit, the bid just won't come up much.

If I want to force, I bid 3 - Strong Michaels.

I don't have a problem missing Western Q here.
Aug. 15
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If you want to accuse a new pair of cheating, that's your business, but it's you that will drive them from the game, not me. If you really think they had a hidden agreement, I suggest you record it, but the recorder will probably laugh at you.
Aug. 14
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We made our opponents guess. It sounds like they guessed wrong. Bidding here is so bad. If you are playing hopeless players that never stop bidding, 2 could work, but you are in the LM pairs. This time if you play the opps to be one of the hopeless pairs that never stop bidding, you get punished.

1N is a very good description of our hand. I have to be short in hearts to take a 2nd call.
Aug. 14
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I really doubt south would bid 2 over an undisclosed two suiter. More likely South was wanting to get to neg double over 1. As in if East had made the right bid, South would have gotten to “show hearts.”

So not only was South wanting to know what East held, South was wanting to rewrite history and have East make a different bid.


You are going nowhere fast with your arguments. Pick a different hand to make an example out of novices.
Aug. 14
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David, We were not even told that any inquiry was made about the nature of 2. You are asking for a heck of a lot of explanation from no inquiry of a non-alertable call.

We were just told, “had I known.”

So indeed, you are punishing for the bid alone, not the agreement, explanation, or anything else.

Even “Top and Bottom” is not alertable, since Q-bids are not alertable. So even if the bid showed Spades and Diamonds, there would be no more information on it unless requested.


They misbid, they did not mis-explain. An adjusted score is not legal no matter how you slice it. To have mis-explained, a question would have to have been asked and answered incorrectly.

Perhaps you want new or forgetful players to wear a sticker that warns you they might not have their bids.
Aug. 14
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There is a pretty simple way to handle this.

When you have already shown shortness, use “Inclusion” RKC+1 asks partner to count a void as a keycard. When partner does not care about a void, partner uses the normal step.

The usual treatment of jumping seems to fail far more often than it gains because it prevents showing other features that might be useful.
Aug. 14
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So partner showed 1 keycard. The only missing keycard is clubs, in which partner also shows a void. It is difficult to hold the Ace in a suit in which you are void.

I think partner has the Ace of Spades in with his clubs and really has two singletons.
Aug. 14
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Gene, No. The rules are the rules. There simply is no rule stating you can't forget your agreements.

There are some players that wish it to be so, so they twist MI rules to fit their needs, and pretend there is MI when there is only a forget or misuse.

I would not mind if the rule were different for top level competition. Using the clubs as an example simply proves we can't have the rule any other way.
Aug. 14
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David, You are a million miles away from understanding the nature of human forgetfulness.

I see these forgets many times each session.

But I play and direct fields where this is commonplace.

Perhaps your games are too strong for you to realize what goes on in the world. Kind of like a billionaire testifying about life in the ghetto.

Real people do mess up. Real people do forget, and it happens far more often than MI. They don't need you weighing them down too.

That you think “nobody who knows that a bid shows majors has a mental lapse” is a clear sign that you don't get out much.

I am being harsh with you because your views on this are a disease that needs to be stopped before it spreads. It is so easy for experienced players and young players to be judgmental on less experienced players and older more forgetful players. Others that see you write this tripe might think it sounds just dandy as they too may not see the depths of bad bridge in the clubs.

I can't hate your opinion on this more.
Aug. 14
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Surprised the majority led low here. Seems really wrong.
Aug. 14
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