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Confirmed, Ish has spent his entire waking hours for the last month going over videos, and he has a special skill at finding codes that I and others could not see. He has been writing reports, making phone calls, after Boye Ish is definitely the hero in this story. Credit to him for focusing more on that than trying to get the credit he deserves… and credit to David Gold for making this post.
Sept. 14, 2015
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Greg Lawler may be a premier statistician in the world but kit cracked the sion and cokin case and also the German doctors so it's a tie :)
Aug. 31, 2015
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Nicolas, awesome idea!
Aug. 31, 2015
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Well Meck hard to argue with you about bridge :)

Maybe I overstated it but I think the video footage is going to be the evidence of cheating on this hand more than the actual decision. After all Boue himself chose to lead a heart. I have no doubt that if Ron had good spades Lotsn would have led a heart.
Aug. 31, 2015
Justin Lall edited this comment Aug. 31, 2015
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Yeah board 3 is the most compelling evidence on its own, the first 2 are not. But obviously the first 2 go towards a pattern and are just a taste, board 3… I dunno it's not normal to me to get up, peek at my opps cards, then use only my left hand (and elbow), putting it on the table, scratching my ear, putting my left index finger over my mouth for a long while, etc. Shocking lefty (the person who I peeked) has the key queen.
Aug. 31, 2015
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Heart lead is obvious because you have 3 points (and 4333 so everything splits) and your partner is a passed hand. To beat 3N you need to run 5 tricks so leading from your Kxx is indicated. Especially with the very strong hand on your right.

edited to say and partner is a passed hand. That's very important. I wouldn't be surprised if a spade is right if partner is an unpassed hand (they might be in a light game).
Aug. 31, 2015
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Not much to add to what Ish just said, but I do want to clarify one point he made.

Lotan is one of the fastest players in bridge. There is almost no chance that anyone would think for a minute and a half on 2N 3N with T9xx K9x xxx xxx. You either lead a heart or you lead a spade and you know which you think is right already. What can you think about? Are you simulating hands on 2N 3N? If someone were to think for that long on a decision like this then they would be one of the slowest players in the world. Lotan is one of the fastest.

If you're on camera and everyone thinks you cheat, one way to avoid detection might be to act like you really thought this one through though lol.
Aug. 30, 2015
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There are now 3 video clips up on bridgecheaters.com

Not sure if that is the queen of spades but check it out
Aug. 30, 2015
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It should not, however it is. It took someone brave enough to stand up and organize everyone who had hands, documents, letters, history, a website etc. The ACBL had lots of info and did nothing.

Boye was very brave. For someone to act, they have to be angry and fed up enough to do so. All movements happen when the people can no longer take it anymore. Womens rights, civil rights, gay rights, the Arab Spring, etc. Yes, Boye was pushed to the limit possibly because he lost to cheaters, but there is nothing wrong with that.

It is now possible he will be disciplined by the various leagues. That could possibly cost him a lot of money as a bridge pro. He has a family. No one else did what he is doing and he deserves all the credit for being brave. It is easy to now have a slew of top players agreeing with him in public, but it's hard to be the first person to act. It does not matter what pushed him into action/made him snap.
Aug. 30, 2015
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I think open events are far more important than junior events in terms of “big wins” when it comes to getting hired. Sponsors probably have even less respect for junior events than they should.
Aug. 30, 2015
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Kit,

At the risk of coming off like I am attacking you (I am not), I think what you are doing is irresponsible (just my opinion). You think these guys are cheating and you are straight up defending them (or playing devils advocate). Yes, top players can understand that some of your devils advocate points are wrong, and that these hands are not evidence that they are not cheating, but you are a very influential person here and many non expert players will not understand. The truth is you could probably win a bridge debate arguing either side with almost all non expert bridge players.

I understand that you do not agree with this process. If I understand, you want to know WHAT they are transmitting and then work from there. That would be great to know but the WHAT can be different, or multiple things, or not used as you said for a variety of reasons.

Boye and others think that needing to know the how or the what is too strict, and allows cheaters to go on for far too long. You said you are convinced they cheat, is that because you know the how or is that because you have seen so many of these hands that are just LOL.

I mean let me remind you of this hand:

Qxx x JT9 AJTxxx. 3C by you p p X p 4C p 4H AP. You lead a spade. You are BY FAR the most successful pair of the last 3 years and you lead a spade? And shockingly it is the winner? Can you really look at that and not laugh?

You hold Kxx QTxx Kxx Jxx and lead a club on 1N AP. Really? You win every event and lead a club, are they on some level that no other bridge player is on?

The david gold hand is the most epic one. Can you see that hand and really think they are just getting lucky?

On top of the hundreds of other hands. I do not know what info they are transmitting that day, or if they got it on every hand, or how they are doing it, if it changes, how often they read it, if they are up in the match a lot or being monitored so they stop some things etc etc. But I know they are cheating. Those 3 hands alone are lol but there are hundreds, as well as multiple past instances of cheating.

And whatever you think of Boyes methods, they're working! The ACBL president posted on bridge winners that they are (finally) enlisting the help of world class players to have a panel. She was brief but referenced the Larry Cohen method which is exactly that, have a world class panel, show the hands, let them defend themselves, and let them decide. That does not include a how or why, it allows for the fact that if you are a world class pair (if they are not cheating they are easily #1 pair in the world), and you routinely do things that are completely illogical to almost all other world class players, you are cheating.

“Bridge at that level is too logic.” – Boye Brogeland
Aug. 30, 2015
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As far as the ACBL, they can choose to follow the disciplinary actions taken by another NBO, or choose to not allow players to play in ACBL events if they are suspended by another NBO for ethical violations.
Aug. 30, 2015
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Hi Jody,

Thanks for your frank comment. I agree that that line was, as you said, rude and childish. I edited it out but that does not erase the fact that I said it. I apologize to Kit and the BW community for saying it.
Aug. 30, 2015
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Roger,

Nice.

Also, anyone who would like to can look at all of the hands I ever played and there is zero chance that you can make a case I am cheating with cherry picked hands. Weird or suspicious does not make people think you cheat, it is outright totally illogical things. That is the point. Zia, Grue, Meckstroth, Kranyak etc etc all do very atypical things sometimes, no one thinks they cheat, there are no whispers.
Aug. 30, 2015
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I strongly disagree with Ellis (as discussed in this thread), but I also agree he is a good guy and his heart is in the right place. Timo you were way too harsh IMO on saying talking to him is like a brick wall (and as you know I also think you're a great guy).

You may not know him but he is receptive and open IMO.
Aug. 30, 2015
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The racecars were got on one hand. Here there are hundreds. I find David Golds and also the hand with Kxx QTxx Kxx Jxx 1N AP, club lead to be the most obvious and compelling. Those alone…
Aug. 30, 2015
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Suzi,

It is obvious why your statement has to be short and you cannot comment much. I think it's a really good thing that you commented at all, to be honest I was not expecting it.
Aug. 30, 2015
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For sure that would be a useful thing, and I believe in England they have a site like that. Perhaps bridgewinners could add something like this, I'm not sure if there is enough demand.

As Josh said the current system is word of mouth and that is probably outdated in todays world.
Aug. 30, 2015
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My favorite part of this is that Ish analyzed just one match and found all of these hands. Truly incredible. Note that this was their first big win, I am guessing they got smarter/less obvious after that but your incentive to win your first big event is a lot bigger (in terms of getting hired/financial gain).
Aug. 30, 2015
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David that is incredible
Aug. 30, 2015
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