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Lynn, thanks. Actually I think the way things work in default is that bidding 5 right away is stronger than bidding 4N and then converting 5 to 5 if partner bids 5. But your advice proves that without explicit agreement, there is no way to tell.

I was not intending this hand to say what should be done. Just showing it in case people were wondering. If P was not forcing, I would have passed, and then N would have bid 6 for insurance I think.
Dec. 29, 2016
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Can we agree that 4N and 5C are ambiguous bid unless you are on firm grounds with your partner?
Dec. 29, 2016
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As said, thanks so much for your help. And I am so glad you are tuned into the experts, in addition to being one yourself.
Dec. 29, 2016
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The point about this hand is that neither E-W have shown strength, and N has not had a chance to show a good hand (unless you have a way to distinguish between different types of 5 hands by N) till his 5 bid. So should the vul vs. non vul be the dominating factor. It is certainly surprising to me that the vote may be even more in favor for not FP situation than the one I quoted where our partner has made a limited bid, and opponents have both shown strengths.

FWIW, 5D and 4S were both making unbeatable. 5 was making unless N leads a . It was MP, so once they bid 5, your side was going to get a bad score no matter what. But 5 X making guarantees a 0. At IMPS, I think it would be right to compete to 6.

N hand : K, A, AQJxxxx, QJxx
S hand: xx, Jxxx, KTxx, Kxx

I as S X 5. Partner led his singleton A, and the hand was over.
Dec. 29, 2016
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How would N solicit S input? It is not a firm partnership. 4N would be highly ambiguous. X is not penalty, but definitely suggests defense. P of 4 is not forcing.
Dec. 29, 2016
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So whether you can singleton or doubleton is not useful info to N?
Dec. 29, 2016
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Thanks so much for your help.
Dec. 29, 2016
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Sorry, I can't figure out how to edit the article. Apparently, it was not clear what 3 meant and what created a FP or not. 3 was limited to 10 points, and the question is if 5 by N created a forcing pass situation.
Dec. 29, 2016
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3 did not create a FP, and it was stated that it limited S hand. The question is whether N's 5 created a FP situation.
Dec. 29, 2016
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Can't answer this question without asking why partner led a .
Dec. 29, 2016
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The level is important. If the QB is 2, then 2 should very likely show 5. But when the QB is 3, there is not much luxury to show length or strength. You just have to make do with what is the most descriptive bid (hopefully in tempo). 3 should be GF, so showing strength is not that important.
Dec. 29, 2016
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So what does W bid with 4333 no stopper?
Dec. 29, 2016
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So if declarer calls for a card from dummy, and W has not turned his trick one card over, what happens?
Dec. 28, 2016
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What is clear here is your side isn't bidding game on “power”. The opponents have made two “strength” bids. Your side has not made one not counting 5.
Dec. 28, 2016
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Sometimes there is no way to know, and you have to resort to the vulnerability metarule. But it is clear in this case.
Dec. 27, 2016
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Don't X if you can't stand partner's 4 bid.
Dec. 27, 2016
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I don't want to misrepresent him, but I think the point is whatever the bright line is, then those who open at x-y above the bright line will upgrade with random hands with less than x to x. 10 is arbitrary, but so is 18 as voting age, or 65 for SS, or whatever. What matters is not to put the cutoff into the gray area.
Dec. 27, 2016
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He explained that very well too. You don't have to agree with it. Maybe Danny himself does not agree with it. But he has explained it.
Dec. 27, 2016
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I think Danny explained well why there should be a bright line lower limit.
Dec. 27, 2016
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Progress for me would be everyone playing under the same rules, not subjected to the whims of the director.
Dec. 27, 2016
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