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Pure torture since after the invitational 3, you can bid 3 natural and forcing and not show a monster hand.
Oct. 6
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3 actually makes it easier for you to bid than 2. Once partner bids invitational hand, new suit is natural and GF but does not promise a huge hand.
Oct. 6
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Michael and Andy, I now agree that 3 is forcing. The main point is because of the transfer action, opener can bid 3 to decline the invitation. With no agreement, I would play 3 in Andy's example as NF, a rebid of opener's suit below the 3 level of responder's suit.
Oct. 6
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When I pass with (14), invariably, they lead the singleton suit (very likely since both have length in that suit), and they cash the first 5 tricks, and my hand get squeezed badly (responder too to a lesser extent). I have even had my RHO passed and led the singleton suit with 6, and my hand had to make 5 discards. True, they had a 2M contract, but we went down 150 or worse 300 in 1NT. Declaring 1NT when opponents are known to have 9+ cards in a suit may be correct if it feels right, but not something I would do systematically.
Oct. 6
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Kit, I agree. Sorry. Underneath, I was thinking of Precision, so partner basically will pass your 2m bid except in very rate circumstance (assuming she cannot raise simply based on LoTT), but I did not want to restrict the poll to Precision, or open up the can of worm about what 2m opener would rebid.
Oct. 6
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Maybe I don't know what standard is. When we open, they overcall, and responder bids a new suit at 2 level (10+), isn't opener's simple raise of responder's suit or rebidding her own suit NF?
Oct. 5
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Paul W, if entering is for the benefits of spectators, fans, Bulletin etc,, I don't disagree. If it is for supposed purpose of avoiding wrong score etc,, I don't see what club vs. national has got to do with it.
Oct. 5
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Ray, the difference is stopping on a dime is different from informed stopping on a dime. If it goes 1 - (2) - 2, with 2 1RF, most people don't have a problem with 2 and 3 as NF even though they are stopping on a dime.
Oct. 5
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David, why are you assuming mod 10?
Oct. 5
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Nothing wrong with stopping in 3 (assuming 2NT shows as stated) and 3.
Oct. 5
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Am I right in understanding that the 2NT bid is artificial and shows ? If so, what is the problem? The only NF bids are 3 and 3, plus game bids.
Oct. 5
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Another candidate is the X of 2M shows 4 of that M, not 4 of oM.
Oct. 5
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Steve, So if opener has (14)=3=5, she always has to pass 1NT? Or (13)=4=5. Precision allows for only for opener's hand. We agree that 1 - 1NT and 1 - 1M are different intrinsically.
Oct. 5
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First, I would prefer that “good-bad” 3 shows a hand that would have jumped to 3 if W was silent. And therefore the subsequent bidding would be the same as 1 - 1; 3 - ? except of course 3 would not be natural. I don't think 14+/15 is by itself is a jump rebid.

Second, like others have said, you don't try to improve a playable partial at the 3 level.
Oct. 5
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John, there are many variations of that joke. The mathematican ponders of whether there is a solution to some emergency. The physicist analyzes the problem, and what is required to solve the problem (e.g. what causes and sustains a fire and how to put it out). If it is a theoretical physicist, then he does nothing beyond that. The engineer would just take the practical solution.
Oct. 5
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To John, Michael R, and Steve, bidding 2 is in preparation of 3 level decision. I have in mind what Michael R said, that responder will indeed bid 3 with 3=3=1=6 over 2. Steve, I don't know why it is important to get to 4-4 . You have at least 8 card fit in in that case. Edited because forgot to miss one last line. If opponents come in, you bid 2NT to show 4 clubs.
Oct. 5
Mike Ma edited this comment Oct. 5
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Jeff, I haven't missed anything (or rather, I may or may not have missed anything). The question posed was purely about likelihood of balancing, not whether it is beneficial to bid 2m given they are more or less likely to balance.
Oct. 5
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So you chose to be insulted.
Oct. 5
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Are you saying it is exactly 50-50? Not even 50 + delta vs. 50 - delta. There is an “other” option. if you truly judge 50 - 50 or equivalent to 50-50, so that it is neither option 1 or 2, wouldn't it be 3?
Oct. 5
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Jeff, see David's clarification. Of course you can't do that if partner is in on the joke. If not, then it is a weird kind of psyche, and you have to hope partner does not bid 3m.
Oct. 4
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