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Common for TDs.

There is a reason why the “Rule of Coincidence” was deprecated. This falls into the same broad category.
Nov. 20, 2019
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While this might be common, its not correct behaviour and should be rooted out…
Nov. 20, 2019
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So, based on Danny Sprung's post later on in the thead

1. Steve's claim that the deviations from expected shape are not relevant to psyching a 1NT opening opening appears to be correct.

Thanks. This was not obvious to me

2. Steve's claim that psyching a “forbidden shape” (for example 10+ cards in the two longest suits or a void) can be used as grounds for adjustment appears to be incorrect
Nov. 20, 2019
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I would very much appreciate if one of the members of the C&C would confirm or deny Steve's claims.
Nov. 19, 2019
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> We agree you can psych it - we disagree only that there
> are allowed adjustments if the director deems appropriate.

Under what circumstances is is appropriate for a director to make an adjustment if I make an allowable bid?

We have rules for a reason. Protection against the whims of random directors is a big part of the reason why…
Nov. 19, 2019
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> You’ve psyched an explicitly banned shape.
> Adjustment is allowed.

Since people seem to be referencing the article in the ACBL Bulletin, I will simple quote the following:

“Note that out-and-out psyches of 1NT openings are not covered under these rules. However, ”psyche“ is now defined in the chats as generally being two cards fewer or an ace weaker (or stronger) than expected for the range.”

I will also note that I was quite careful to use a 5-5-2-1 shape as my example and not a 5-4-3-1 as to avoid conflict with this clause.

(Arguably, if your 1NT opening frequently includes 5-4-2-2 shapes, you might run into an issue with a psyche based on a 5-5-2-1 since this is off by one. However, this does not detract from the general claim that you can make a psyche with “an explicitly banned shape”)
Nov. 19, 2019
Richard Willey edited this comment Nov. 19, 2019
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> RW, I can't believe how many times people go though
> this. So as long as you don't have an agreement to
> do so, you can psyche artificial bids since the chart
> only disallows agreements, not bids?

I never claimed that you can psyche bid that is defined as artificial by partnership agreement.

Rather, I claim that if my partnership agreement is that a bid is not artificial, the act of making a psyche based on a hand type that would MAKE the bid artificial if it were included in the partnership agreement is permissable

these two things are separate and distinct
Nov. 19, 2019
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> The article also was clear you can't have more than
> 2 doubletons in your hand but Richard says
> 7222 can be opened 1nt?


The definitions section of the ACBL's convention charts includes the following

“Natural



h. A NT opening bid or overcall that contains no voids, no more than one singleton, which must be an ace, king, or queen, and that does not contain 10 or more cards in two suits combined.”

A 7222 shape meets the definition of natural
Nov. 19, 2019
Richard Willey edited this comment Nov. 19, 2019
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> You can open 1NT with anything you like in
> Basic+, Open, and Open+ as long as it is strong
> and forcing. And no restrictions on number
> of boards per round.

>This is from Basic+ Chart, allowed bids.

>5. Any 1NT opening bid that is Strong and Forcing.

Sorry, you are correct. I was focusing too much on the 6+ board distinction here.

Thanks for pointing this out
Nov. 19, 2019
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> Psyching a banned shape allows for compensation
> should there be damages. The hand pattern is
> prohibited, not just defined.

The Open+ section of the Convention Chart describes “Disallowed Bidding Agreements”. It does not define “Disallowed Bids”

Moreover, the convention charts themselves explicit define limitations on psyches.
These limits do not include the case that you describe.

Where in the regulations is your interpretation written down and codified?

> Psyching is always allowed as long as the bid
> is natural. An artificial bid may not be psyched
> without penalty.

The definition of the 1NT opening is natural.

If I (theoretically) psyched 1NT with a 5521 this does not change our agreement that the bid is natural
Nov. 19, 2019
Richard Willey edited this comment Nov. 19, 2019
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> my understanding is that you can't open
> 1nt with a 7222 hand

A 7222 pattern is considered natural.
You can open 1NT by agreement so long as you have 10+ HCPs

> 5521 hand

A 5521 hand is not natural. You can not open this by agreement unless you are playing in an event with 6+ Board rounds. If you are playing in an event with 6+ board rounds, you can open this pattern by agreement so long as your 1NT opening is forcing.

> If I held Kx Kx Kx AKxxxxx void I would always open 1 nt.

Assuming that the “void” is a typo, I think that you're fine.

> all this talk of a small singleton can I open 1nt with a void?

If you are playing in an event with 6+ board rounds you can open 1NT with a void by agreement so long as your 1NT opening is forcing.

You can also psyche a 1NT opening with this hand so long as you don't do it frequently enough to establish an implied partnership agreement.

> Axx Axxx AKJxxx my judgement this is a good 1nt opener can I make this bid?

If you are playing in an event with 6+ board rounds you can open 1NT with a void by agreement so long as your 1NT opening is forcing.

You can also psyche a 1NT opening with this hand so long as you don't do it frequently enough to establish an implied partnership agreement.
Nov. 19, 2019
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For what it's worth, here is my interpretation

If you are playing in an Open+ Event with a rounds whose length is 6+ boards you are allowed to play an artificial 1NT opening. In this case, you can have an explicit agreement to have a 1NT opening that might systemically include a singleton or a void.

This artificial 1NT is alertable

If you are playing in an Open+ Event whose length is not 6+ boards, you must play a natural 1NT opening. In this case, you may not have an agreement to open 1NT with a singleton. However, there are some shapes that contain a singleton that you might choose to open 1NT as a psyche.

This natural 1NT bid is not alertable

I believe that the ban on psyching 1NT with, say, a 4-4-4-1 shape and a small singleton, would apply if you were playing a natural 1NT opening in an Open+ event with a round length of 6+ boards
Nov. 19, 2019
Richard Willey edited this comment Nov. 19, 2019
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Randy I just looked at the chart in question and I claim that the answer to your question is obvious.

I am curious what is preventing you from drawing an inference here…
Have you tried to figure any of this out for yourself?
Nov. 19, 2019
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Are you talking about an agreement or a psyche?
Nov. 19, 2019
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The system is what it is.

I made the OK Boomer comment based on the attitude that you were displaying.

Shawn explained why the existing system doesn't work well for him.
You replied that he hadn't earned his place…
Nov. 19, 2019
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Thanks Kevin

Lon and Ivanie are old team mates of mine, so I suspect that I'll end up pestering him…
Nov. 19, 2019
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> It's not about earning MP. It's about earning your place.

OK Boomer.

FWIW, I find this entire posting emblematic of why the ACBL has such trouble attracting young players to the game. Yes, in theory, an individual new player has the option to join an established team and draft off their attendance points, however, what is a team of young player supposed to do?

My reaction to your post is that there are a whole bunch of other forms of entertainment competing for my time and money…
Nov. 19, 2019
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So, the ACBL is trying to target members of the military to come play bridge?

1. Could you please post the email in question. I'd be interested in seeing what they have planned.

2. What is the ACBL's goal? Are they trying to introduce the game to members of the military? (Just get members playing socially or playing online?) Alternatively, are they trying to get the target audience playing clubs (either local clubs surrounding the bases or potentially even establishing duplicate clubs on bases?)

3. Other than the marketing push, what steps is the ACBL taking to trying and achieve their end goal?
Nov. 18, 2019
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> Those are the charts you'd use at your club games.

Marty, the ACBL allows club owners broad discretion regarding how they run their games

Some clubs ban psyches outright and don't allow Precision to be played. Other such as MIT allow folks to play forcing pass in ACBL sanctioned games.

As long as folks pay their sanction fees, no one cares…

For that matter, for years ACBL sanctions regionals on both the East Coast and the West Coast established their own convention regulations by extending / restriction the convention charts.

The Conventions Committee created a set of guidelines and they did a good job of doing so. But it is ridiculous to pretend that these have any real force in anything other than National level events where the ACBL itself is the event sponsor.
Nov. 18, 2019
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I believe that there is a general consensus that both

1. The existing Board
2. The existing governance structure

are severely flawed

One observation: The motion that is on the table is quite moderate and seems to bend over backwards not to disenfranchise existing Board members. To the extent that there is significant criticism of this motion it seems to be that it does not go far enough / is not aggressive enough.

If this proposal is unable to gain support from the Board it suggests that the only option for reform is schism.
Nov. 18, 2019
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