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Here's another example from the same tournament

https://tinyurl.com/yd4t3uwh

If the bots have a wire and know each other's hands, what possible reason is there to play a spade on trick three instead of cashing the Ace of Clubs?
May 30
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And I am telling you that I don't believe you

This same topic has been beaten to death numerous times before. Each time, it turns out that there has been a minor deviation in a discard or some such.

I find it far far more likely that you are making a mistake than that the behaviour of the advanced bots has suddenly changed.

I would find it very interesting if you are actually able to produce hands that document the behaviour that you are describing. (I'm quite sure that other people would as well).
May 30
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Then please show example hands because your claims are inconsistent with expected behaviour.

If I had to guess, I'd say that either

1. You were not using an advanced bot at the time
2. There was a seemingly insignificant deviation in play that impacted hand generation

For example suppose that you “both” hold the 5432 of Spades

You chose to throw the deuce
The human at the other table chose to throw the 3

This could have a significant impact on the way the bots play out the hand because it will skew the hand generation process
May 30
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> Rich, paranoid or not, but you see that
> several folks think alike. When a few tell
> you to go to sleep, perhaps time has
> come to comply :).

The Internet is full of herds of braying idiots

They fact that you have company doesn't give me much pause…
May 30
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> Another funny example: I play a lot
> of challenges against my usual pd,
> and I saw several times identical
> bidding and identical carding
> until trick 4, and suddenly at
> trick 5 my robot gets crazy
> and his robot continues the
> previous line of play (or
> the other way around).

Are you paying to use the advanced Bots?

The advanced bots behave deterministically. The free bots do not (and they use much smaller sample sizes during their simulations)

If you are using the free bots, this is expect behaviour and has nothing to do with cheating
May 30
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> remember, that BridgeMaster program
> that resides in BBO as a play option
> is programmed to rearrange the
> defensive cards if one chooses a
> slightly inferior line of play…
> is there any reason that this
> same method ia not employed
> when playing robots?

Yes

All Bridgemaster deals are generated MANUALLY

Someone, originally Fred Gittelman, went and created each of those deals by hand and then stored them in a specific format to produce the effect that you are describing.

This is very different than creating a program that will do this algorithmically.
May 30
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I am currently playing a robot tournament on BBO

The Bots just miss defended the last two hands. On the first they gave me two overtricks, on the second one. In each case, a bot failed to find the right shift and allowed me to throw some losers onto an established suit.

If the bots are cheating, they're doing so in an incredibly haphazard way.
May 30
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> Assuming that every country has
> the opportunity to enter a team
> into a regional qualifying event
> of some sort, I think that there
> is equality in opportunity.

There is a significant difference between “having an opportunity” and “equality in opportunity”.

You are creating a structure in which

1. An enormous number of teams need to compete against themselves for one of two slots in a tournament

2. A relatively small number of teams need to compete against each other for one of three slots in a tournament

In what what is this equal?
May 30
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Hank / Paul…

I am a little confused how these nefarious algorithms are discriminating against you.

Aren't we playing duplicate?

Don't the same hands get played by lots of people with lots of different auctions and contracts?

And, for the most part, haven't other people played these hands before you?

So how / why are the bots re-arranging things on the fly when YOU are playing the hands? That's the claim that you're making… That these pregnant pauses represent the Bots doing some kind of expensive computations in real time.

Seriously, you guys are coming across as paranoid…
May 30
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> I don't know how BBO generates hands,
> but the above statistics prove that
> it can't be in random fashion.

Few quick comments:

1. It is nice to see the Fisher-Yates shuffling algorithm being used

2. Not sure whether you want to be using expressions like “Statistics prove”, especially when you aren't including confidence intervals, a null hypothesis, or anything of that sort

3. There are a whole bunch of other reasons other than a flawed hand generator why the splits you chose to examine might deviate from what is expected.

4. Were these hands taken from “best hand” robot matches or unbiased hands from all human tables?
May 30
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Here in the United States, discussions around discrimination are often get framed around distinctions between

“Equality in outcome” and
“Equality in opportunity”

with the later considered a much more modest target

This proposal doesn't even try to meet this more modest goal. Rather, it explicitly rejects it.
May 30
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May 29
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There's also a very real potential about facing quarantine procedures upon returning back home.

I LOVE international travel. Over the past two years I was able to do long multi week vacations in Spain, Morocco, Morocco (I like Morocco), Ethiopia, Thailand, and Japan.

I'm not expecting to be able to do another trip like this for a couple years at least. Just not worth the risk / hassle.
May 29
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> do they really only care about the
> elite? Is it not the WBF's
> responsibility to organize events
> for the regular players as well
> at the national team players?

I am not a fan of the WBF. With this said and done, I think that arguments like the following can be made:

1. The size of an event had an enormous impact on the complexity and risk associated with managing this type of event. Events that are supporting a small number of players (like national team events) are easier to run and, as such, the WBF is prioritizing its resources in the short term.

2. The WBF has already floated a trial balloon about running major events using tablets / and electronic playing environment. I suspect that this would also bias one towards running small events.

I would like the WBF to be more explicit about the reasons behind its decision making.
May 29
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From my own perspective, what I would like to understand better is why

> the implausibility to organise, in
> the coming year, more than one main
> event in addition to the Youth event.
> The MC unanimously decided that
> only one Youth Championship and
> one Main Championship will be
> organised every year.

In particular, it would be useful to know whether this issue is related to resource constraints or some other issue.
May 29
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I think that scoring matters a lot.

Playing MP, I have a lot of sympathy for both sides decisions. Playing IMPs, I think that East should do more.
May 28
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When BBO was restricting free private tournaments, 4:00 pm EDT was part of the “crunch” time…
May 28
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Glad to see that this event is happening.

Given the capacity issues that BBO is experiencing, I wonder whether it would be better to try and use Twitch or some such to broadcast the Vugraph.

This would allow third parties to watch all the action, but wouldn't require people to long in the BBO during crunch hours.
May 28
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Probably a good idea, if only to cause some of the nutjobs to have a heart attack…
May 28
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Once again, complete eradication is not the correct standard to be applying.

Very little in life is perfect, nor does it need to be perfect to be worth doing

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/images/polio-fig-02.jpg
May 28
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