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If I double, 2N is neither scrambling nor natural. We play Lebensohl.
Aug. 27, 2016
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3. With a stiff I expect pard to bid 3N or 4 with AK of and bid 6 over 3N, 7 over 4. Anything else agrees . I will start cueing and give pard a chance to cue twice. If he does, I bid 7 else 6. 4/N sounds good, but not good enough to change my vote. IMO 3 is better then 2 because now pard can infer that I don't need much to play in and that 3N is not an option.
Aug. 27, 2016
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That could be a good starting point if you don't want to sacrifice 2. The problem with Ron-style is 2-3; 4 (or even worse 2-3N; 4). You are on the 4-level and don't have a fit yet. You don't know if pard has a self-suficient suit or a fit in your secondary 4crd suit. If you bid a new suit is this natural or a supporting cue-bid. Ron-style is very good if opener is balanced or 3-suited and of course if he has a fit. The real benefit is if responder does NOT have a semi-positive. How about 2 semi-positive with a suit and 2N semi-positive balanced? After 2 opener asks for the suit with 2N. In both cases 3 asks controls and 3/M/N(=) shows a self-sufficient suit.

PS: I have played Kaplan-Sheinwold for many years. They use control responses. 1m openings can be very strong and 2 with a minor tends to be one-suited.

PPS: In my Polish Club based system we can differentiate between fit-finding with 4crd M and 5crd M, balanced, one-suiters while still on the 2-level. This 19+ not 23+ however.
Aug. 27, 2016
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Playing a wrong-sided 2N with 18+0 if responder has a balanced bust sounds like fun.
Aug. 26, 2016
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Yes, I like to have a strong 2-opening, even more so because I can then open 1. I never understood 2 waiting. Both Ron's and Kit's (and similar) solutions have their merits, depending upon the type of 2. Ron's method is good with a balanced hand or shapes like 5-4-3-1, where your primary object is fit-finding. Even so, the semi-positives should be strong enough to play 4N, because opener might be forced to introduce his 5crd on the 4-level. Kit's solution is suited for an opener with a self-sufficient suit. Knowing the number of controls immediately gives you a good picture of your safety level. What is the solution if you don't want to play a strong club or polish type system? Use 2 and 2 as strong opening bids for the two types and not for differentiating strength. I haven't worked it out, because I don't need to. Maybe someone insisting upon a “natural” system will.
Aug. 25, 2016
Ronald Kalf edited this comment Aug. 25, 2016
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Great, pray tell how N deduced, that J would be the 12th trick.
Aug. 25, 2016
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Keep It Simple Stupid:-))
Aug. 23, 2016
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The same principles apply in other 3/4SF sequences. In fact in all possible in my system. KISS!
Aug. 22, 2016
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Special sequence: 2 is a marionette. Opener rebids 2 unless (s)he has 5(6)-4 then 2N. After 2 2N shows invite with 5(6)-4. All other bids are FG. With good and bad I would simply bid 3 however.
Aug. 22, 2016
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Until reading Randy's comment, I voted 100% N, but WNT made me go for 100% S. IMO this should have been a victory for WNT. The biggest advantage of WNT is when you DON'T open 1NT! If you play SNT you have to shoot 4 because pard will expect a WNT if you bid 3. If you play WNT pard knows that you have extras in hcp or distribution.
Aug. 22, 2016
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As soon as bridge is accepted as olympic sport cheating will become legal:-(
Aug. 22, 2016
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Try looking at 4SF (and 3SF) from another perspective. Everybody is trying to define openers bids after 4SF. Because bidding space differs with the 4(3)SF-bid openers bids have different meanings in different sequences. Not KISS. Again ask yourself why responder bids 4(3)SF (see my first reply). I suggest that 4(3)SF is a marionette (opener bids next strain with some exceptions) and responder now explains his reason for 4SF. Bidding an already bid suit is natural and slamgoing (#3 of my first reply), 3N denies a stopper in the 4th suit (#2) and repeating 4th suit asks 3crd support (#1). In our system it is possible find out about stoppers and fit below 3N in all cases. I haven't worked it out for a natural system. I guess it will work for all 4SF sequenses, I'm not sure about all 3SF sequences.
Aug. 21, 2016
Ronald Kalf edited this comment Aug. 21, 2016
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There is no such thing as a free lunch. With all 3 examples you would like 4SF to be F1 only. In my proposal (pard didn't agree yet!) 2 shows 8-11 and 5 or a bad 6 (with a good 6 we can bid 3 now or would have bid 2 over 1). With #2 I would bid 3, with #3 2, with #1 my preference is 2.
Aug. 21, 2016
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Volontarily going past 3N (sequence 2) has strong slam implications. By my rule sequence 1 is a slamtry in showing A, K or Q in . If your rule has 4 forcing and setting I would expect a weaker hand with the message slam possible as it seems you have no values opposite my singleton (I would bid 4 with such a hand).
Aug. 21, 2016
Ronald Kalf edited this comment Aug. 21, 2016
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Exactly!
Aug. 21, 2016
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Not legal, some players at one of the clubs I play have a habit of doing this. At a club level I don't care. I'm not even sure if I would protest at a tournament.
Aug. 21, 2016
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It depends upon the rest of your system. Jus ask yourself with what type of hands you would use 4SF (and also 3SF). In my book, there are 3 reasons: 1) 5crds in my M, looking for support, 2) NT-hand, but missing stopper, 3) slamgoing in one of the suits bid. A type 3 hand is obviously FG+. With a type 2 invitational hand, I raise one of pards suit. If a 2M-rebid covers the invitational type 1 hand, 4SF is FG by exclusion (my preference), if not, it should be possible to stop in 2N or 3m (what I currently play).
Aug. 21, 2016
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A jump spends a lot of bidding space and should therefore give a precise picture of your hand. Opposite a limited partner The picture is that there is no slam, if pard is not limited you need to give a describe your hand. In the above examples, I would expect 4M to be a balanced minimum with good trumps and scatterd values outside. If you do not play jumps in a new suit as asking bids splinters would be good companions.
Aug. 21, 2016
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But they represented IBF, not ACBL. IBF is responsible for those who play on their national team.
Aug. 21, 2016
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I didn't mean to criticize Kit either, but IMO we need simpler rules on my level. Going back to the 3-bid in sequence 1. Responder is either looking for a 5-3-fit in or for a -stopper. Opener bids 3. IMO this shows a genuine fit, otherwise (s)he would bid 3N with a stopper or temporize with 3 without. Now what? Responders bids 3N if (s)he obviously does not have 5 (else 4) or a -stopper (else 3N in stead of 3). By this logic 4 (and also 4/) would show a slamgoing hand in .
Aug. 21, 2016
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