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Vice-Chairman, English Bridge Union

Chairman, London Metropolitan Bridge Association

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Phil Ivey loses his appeal
How quaint. Basing assessment of national characteristics on repeated viewings of Royal Wedding. Gambling is not an upper class pastime, and is a problem reaching almost epidemic proportions. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/oct/30/force-gambling-firms-pay-levy-addiction-treatment-charity-gambleaware-betting-companies-donate A few years ago plans to open "super-casinos" near to areas of depression ...
Bridge not a sport for VAT purposes says EU court
Well, the EBU does have a 5-year plan with stated objectives, the latest one (which will include assessments of how the previous one has gone) will be put together over the next year. And apart from the initiatives Jeremy mentions above (ongoing and reviewed) we also keep a close eye ...
Bridge not a sport for VAT purposes says EU court
John Adams: Bridge being a sport has indeed been a hard sell (and not, it must be said, a wholly successful one), but it was the only ruling that would have forced the UK tax authorities to grant the concession that we were after. Anything else would have only given ...
Bridge not a sport for VAT purposes says EU court
Richard, just because something is going to be an uphill struggle doesn't mean it's a struggle not worth the effort. And since you're so focused on expense, the expense since the Tribunal has been minimal. The resource that has been exploited has been a good man's ...
Bridge not a sport for VAT purposes says EU court
All the stuff you talk about in the second bit is, in fact (and in brief) what we're trying to achieve.The remit of the board is great - legal matters are only a part of it. As for the "tap on the shoulder" notion, I'd never met four ...
Bridge not a sport for VAT purposes says EU court
Thank you Sarah. And I rather think that Richard knows me well enough to be completely aware that my suggestion that yet another complex legal case be launched merely to spite him was, of course, a joke. To suggest otherwise either means that he has no sense of humour, or ...
Bridge not a sport for VAT purposes says EU court
Richard: "Given that a Board of which you have been a member, Ian, has been instrumental in making a decision resulting in the loss of £180k of members' money, I suggest that a little humility might be in order." In what context does expenditure=loss? Just curious. As for humility ...
Bridge not a sport for VAT purposes says EU court
I agree the gain for any country is small and the authorities seem well-disposed in many other countries in a way they aren't in England, also minimising the danger. It's not right, however, to suggest that it's a risk no-one considered. It was, but where do the ...
Bridge not a sport for VAT purposes says EU court
It does sound vague, but it was two years ago. In defence of my plausibility I do recall one shareholder standing up at a meeting and saying their (reasonably large) county hadn't benefited from any publicity arising from our legal battles and a Yorkshire shareholder leaping to their feet ...
Bridge not a sport for VAT purposes says EU court
Sarah,an interesting question about other countries (that wasn't meant to sound patronising although it probably does). VAT exemption is down to the country to a certain extent, but if something is a sport, it isn't, a country has to exempt. But there is a situation where, if ...
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