What about 4n as the forcing minor hand?
I would not have risked 5s being passed out if starting with 5c...but there appears to be room for both a flexible invite and slam force.
Assuming 4N shouldn't be 'to play' which frankly wouldn't suprise me ...
I dont think the W cards are worth considering an upgrade. There isn't much to say about the auction after that. Except perhaps W doubling down with their decision...the hand was worth an upgrade based on the merits of the H suit, so should probably bid them again.
1x (p) 1y (2w)
I only ask because a megamillions pair played this as pen and never alerted.
Seems obvious though...an alert these days would likely point to support.
What is the expected no-alert meaning then? T/o?
Pen needs to alert too?
1D or 2D seems sufficient? I mean it's fun to postulate the optimal usage, but at the end of the day, it is the understanding that in a partnership where stuff like this is ok, pard can do what they want and your role is just catching.
Having an agreement probably defeats the purpose of unsheathing it.
If they had bid it's obviously showing a good 3d bid...offering penalty or demanding competING. Here, you already had your $...has to be reveal a psych...so, see above.