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That might also prove to be our mechanism for after-action reporting by TDs and Chairs.
June 1, 2018
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Mike that's as good a summary as I've seen here. The problem is that most duplicate players these days didn't come up through rubber (money) bridge. That's why IMPs are foreign to them. When we are down to two tables at our club for one reason or another and try to pay more folks points by having a Swiss Teams game we find the players reluctant. When we do form teams for an event only one plays A/X, and then only because they must.

Pairs training is great for Blue Ribbon, Life Master, and now Platinum Pairs, and the Cavendish, but if we want to promote events like Vanderbilt, Reisenger, and Spingold and eventually Bermuda Bowl, Venice Cup, and the like then as an organization we need to find a way to promote team play AND match point pairs play. The way to do that is via our ranking structure, where at Life Master and above certain boxes must be checked, like Red or Blue Ribbon (Silver if necessary) quals, fixed percentages from Swiss, from KOs, from Pairs, etc. That would make a good Bridge Winners thread if someone with more juice than me wants to host it. Also think we need to find a way to pay masterpoints for sponsored rubber bridge games at clubs, and newcomer tourneys. That's probably a pipe dream, lol.
June 1, 2018
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“…I think they are like me in this one respect. They play that internal, inside game. That is where the joy is, in my opinion. Without that joy, what is left isn't worth saving.”

Also a golfer? <grin>

I wonder if “The Joy of…” in a book title is still embargoed? If not, there's a worthwhile project.

Thought we'd run off all you guys who enjoy the game for its own sake years ago! Recommend you contact Caprera and Rosenberg about volunteering to help coach the juniors with a focus on “Zen and the Art of Bridge.” Whoops, that title may be embargoed too. Really, though, they ought to send your post to their “kids” because once they can count and follow suit and find the table what you are discussing is the essence of becoming a life-long bridge loving player.
June 1, 2018
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Since this is added to the thread, I'll contribute a card to the pile. I think what will happen is that sectionals and regionals will morph into regionals and super regionals. The pigment colors for mps will adjust. Super regionals will be held midway between the NABCs, geographically picked to offset location and time of year. Internet tablet games for regionals and nationals will proliferate, held at clubs some times – maybe – our folks don't seem to like shelling out more for the same 3 1/2 hours and 25 or so boards depending on the type of Howell. Mitchell? What's that? ABA and ACBL will merge out of sheer survival necessity. (ABA has severe problems with table count not equaling hotel room minimum counts.)

You should know that while I can't see Russia from my porch, I CAN see Mexico. For me, a regional costs exactly the same per day (or less) than a sectional. Mine are in the same town, 2 hours by car each way from me, and usually at the same facility. Our Unit (and District) chairs go crazy trying to find times that don't interfere with each other, local athletic games (Go Cats!), the gem and mineral show, or the monsoons, and locations that can handle us without robbing us blind. When there is a tourney we drop to 2-3 tables at the club. Yet our club owners still support the tournaments, bless them. But something has to give. (That was mostly for Karen.) I figure it costs me a minimum of $1,200 for a local tournament (no air travel), and that's if I don't hire a pro.

As to Regionals at Sea, I'm waiting for the earthquake which will bring the water in to me from the Sea of Cortez. Otherwise, I'll get one; my box of ashes will sit on the directors table until they get far enough out to toss it overboard. Hopefully those who I've tossed overboard thus far will join me for a rubber or two.
May 31, 2018
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This is a good place to posit that Gaynor's concept of real world application is valid. I don't put together tournaments, but from talks with those who do and director staff it is my understanding that directors advise, but tournament sponsors decide (within the constraints set forth by the BoD).

If it's not now being done, EVERY tourney from sectional to NABC should have an after-action report submitted by the Director-in-Charge to whatever we are calling the Horn Lake national director HQ (N, S, and overall). Copy to marketing, BoD, BoG, and Tournament Chair. Private supplemental reports may be made if publicity would not be appropriate. Tournament chairs should be encouraged to submit addenda and/or their own reports. All tournament chairs should have access to this stuff.

Let's learn from each other, and keep records for our progeny. Suggestions like those above should be submitted to a central location at Horn Lake for review, comment, and publication by decision makers. OR, maybe Bridge Winners can create a dedicated area for these discussions, with a dedicated moderator staff. Seems like we might need one.
May 31, 2018
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Reference the Jeff Lehman and other treads above regarding events, and cross-reference to the Caprera article “Playing Up.” (sort of)

Return with me now, to the beginning of Chapter 10, (“Conflict!”) of my pick for one of the top five bridge books ever written (and I just gave it to a student, it stands up today) “Gamesman Bridge – Play Better with Kantar” (Edwin B. Kantar & Jackson Stanley, 1972, Liveright Publishing, New York.) Anyway…

(At the Men's Pairs, Bridge Week, Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles, Kantar's student Stanley speaking) “We found ourselves in competition with 179 other pairs, separated into six sections of fifteen tables each. The competition was stiff, but I realized from the outset that my chief adversary was myself.”

The whole book is like that :-)
May 31, 2018
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well, if you wouldn't spend all day surfing…
May 31, 2018
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That works too, which is why I strongly support stratified vs. flighted or strati-flighted events. I am OK with running a concurrent event for those who are not yet (or any more) capable of, or interested in playing in the main field, and stratifying that field, but then its table count should be included in the count for the open event. It should NOT be place to “get those points.” Rather, such a field should be social/educational with longer rounds and fewer boards for chit-chat and such – and thus held in another room where the noise level won't bother the open players.
May 31, 2018
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I generally concur with that. Also keenly aware that the Gold Rush Pairs and similar events are wildly popular. Unfortunately, those events remove chum from the open type of events, so when some chum do enter they are soon eaten.

My current partner and I are eligible for Gold Rush (I think he still is, anyway; I know I am). If there's no flight A event we can enter at a tourney we don't go – period. (Exception: If non-Life Masters (NLM) who are attending classes, doing the assigned reading, and trying to improve want us to play with them in a pairs event (each of us with a student), then sure. If a similar pair wants us to play teams with them, sure. We'll take our proper bracket in KOs and play X in A/X if they still exist. (There's some sort of round robin thing going on now that I haven't studied, but it looks like yet another way to segregate chum from the rest.) Anyway, if you see partner and me at a Regional or NABC you'll find us in NABC+ type events (look for us toward the bottom of the score sheet), unless we have student sponsors.

I realize we are in the minority. Not fun to be us these days, but it is what it is. I'm still wanting only to qualify for and play in the Platinum Pairs, and if I hit the lotto to join Caprera as a youth team sponsor.
May 31, 2018
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“What, however, do you do if no one wants to play in Flight B that has the masterpoints for Flight A?”
Oh, I wish that were a problem! Perhaps there's more desire to “Play Down” in Brackets III, IV, V, and below. But I would imagine you would find many teams that check the “OK to bump us down” box even in Brackets I and II.
May 29, 2018
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That seems reasonable in both principle and practice. And maybe it will stop all the carping about “We had to play against XYZ…no fair, sob.”
May 29, 2018
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No one said dollar a point, lol. Losing team buys the drinks (Rock Star for the juniors?). Welcome to the sponsor ranks. Where's the G5?
May 29, 2018
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Vote with your wallet. Faced with this, offer to play the winners of Bracket I later in a set match rubber bridge game (Chicago) for bragging rights, fun, and education. DO NOT enter the event. Keep your entry in your pocket, and report to the Caddy Master for duty.
May 29, 2018
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Re Jeff's post above. Perhaps what we need to do is re-vamp the Board of Governors and task it with addressing issues like this that are really beyond the scope of a Board of Directors. On the other hand, Governors (the wise old chiefs) should have delay veto only, not legislative power. When they think the BoD is about to commit footicide, they should be able to call a temporary cease fire, putting the matter to the general membership if necessary.
May 28, 2018
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I'll bet Steve is one of those guys who can sum four rows of a recap sheet at a time <grin>. And I sincerely hope there are a TON of readers who are saying: “Huh?”
May 28, 2018
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I call myself a “Minnow with an Attitude.” Perhaps I AM dating myself. I'm now 67, and my primary mentor died in 1995. He was a world class player you've never heard of, because when someone could drag him to a tourney he played under the name Roy Rogers or Donald Duck or whatever suited him that day. He quit the ACBL when they revoked on the promise that Life Masters would be dues exempt. (“A deal's a deal!”) But he did instill in me the idea that the whole point of bridge was to play with and against the best players who would tolerate me. And, in bridge, I usually can force them to tolerate me by buying an entry. Except, now we have Flights, qualifiers, and so forth barring the way. And, of course, I have to have a partner with the same attitude. Hard to find. And Peg, ALL of my partners are playing individual events ;-)
May 28, 2018
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Re: list of names of famous folks who play our game. Yea! Now the next step is to poll our membership to find folks who have a relationship with them and ask if we can video them saying something nice about bridge or, better, get a cameo of them playing. With no compensation and a release, please.
May 27, 2018
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What he said :-)
May 27, 2018
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Imagine if you were a golfer with maybe a 25 handicap and the PGA Tour came to your municipal course for a championship event like The Memorial. Fun to hang around the course, eh? But guess what? For a mere $25 YOU can enter the event, and you are guaranteed 18 holes of golf and if you make the daily cut you get to play another 18 tomorrow! The pros start on Thursday. The ams start on Monday, and the survivors are in the random draw for Thursday start times. Just $25 per day as long as you keep qualifying. Make Thursday and you are guaranteed both Thurs and Fri ($50). If you enter you get to go to the party with the pros after play ends Sunday (and every night if you get invited).
Wouldn't you enter? Who cares if you get a snowman or worse on every hole. Just to hang around the closed clubhouse and go to the closing party would be worth it! Camp Fire Story.
May 27, 2018
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Everything about that is an abomination. Our baby birds stay in the nest forever. Do we need to sue to kick them out of the basement? Now we are rewarding the A players for keeping out all but the most promising rookies by promoting these “Gentle” flights (which are anything but). Yet you take aside a team of B/C players at a tournament and show them the difference in match and overall awards A/X vs. B/C/D and it doesn't matter. They want to be “competitive” which means they want their winners photo in the district newsletter. We must come up with more creative ways to mix ‘em up. Maybe we get rid of flights all together and have one Stratified A/B/C/D event alongside a newcomer Swiss which has relaxed timing and some instruction (in another room). Maybe you can play in this only twice, then you MUST move to the big room, where all the FUN is anyway. (Sell it!!!) From what I’ve seen, that kind of thinking puts me in a very tiny minority these days. But something must change, or it's over. Back to rubber bridge for those of us who remain, or just NABCs if they survive.
As to KOs, that Soloway idea sounded interesting. Hope it works for them. Don't know why we couldn't have blessed it with extra MP factors right away to help it get a foothold. We should be able to bribe our newcomers with extra goodies (fee discounts, masterpoint color or number bonuses, etc.) to play up and get exposure to bridge and people at higher experience levels. To me, that was the joy of the individual format Pro Bridge Tour event. I even scratched once! Well worth the $100 entry. Then they flighted it and thus killed it.
May 27, 2018
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