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I think disparaging people (as you're doing here) for seeking redress when players don't follow the rules (using the procedures in place for doing just that) is poor sportsmanship. It presupposes that players are supposed to accept damage rather than face the slings and arrows of the offending side and all their pals.

If you don't like particular Laws or the process for handling irregularities, by all means jump into the fray and make your opinions known to the Laws Commission and/or Competition and Conventions Committee. Solve the right problem, petition to get rules changed. Don't roast people who choose to follow rules you disagree with. (And, it should be noted, if you don't disagree with the Laws when YOU or your pals need protection, then maybe examine that.)

Feel free to disparage people for things unrelated to the Laws but this is petty.
March 30
Diana Tenery edited this comment March 30
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I have unlimited referrals and will invite folks who can commit to the two major tenets of the league, don't forfeit and don't cheat. I know a lot of the posters here casually or by reputation. If I don't know you, reach out anyway and we can chat if you're interested.

Please see a rookie primer here:

http://learnedleague.com/thorsten/primer.php

There are other FAQs and descriptions of how the league works in the Thorsten's Desk section of the site. I can also answer questions for you via PM here on BW.
July 13, 2016
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hurrah!!
March 22, 2016
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@Don said “If the TD does nothing, ask to speak with the event DIC. Unless the problems with TDs get reported up the chain of command, there is NO chance for improvement. Now, whether there will be improvement if you DO report it is another question, but at least there's a chance.

And since there is no “Senior Director of Field Operations” on staff anymore, up the TD ladder is your best shot.”

This is sure to make you super popular with these directors who are now in charge of all your rulings with no form of appeal.
March 19, 2016
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As someone whose NABC+ appeals usually involve the committee overturning director rulings, I find this turn of events bothersome. One especially egregious situation involved a director not even consulting other directors (let alone players) on a situation that specifically called for consultation before ruling.

There is certainly a whole segment of folks (like me) who fill out these NABC+ events who are mostly unrecognizable to committee members and not subject to whatever bias (good or bad) we're trying to protect people from. I think there are several very good directors who I'd trust at that level, but sadly not enough to feel safe from bad/hasty/uneducated rulings in those events as long as this approach is in place.

My personal experience has been there's significantly more bias in the directing teams than on the committees. Again I'd like to be very clear, I've been very lucky to have been exposed to some extraordinary directors, so maybe we'll get lucky and those kinds of folks will be heavily involved in this process. I can certainly hope so.

March 19, 2016
Diana Tenery edited this comment March 19, 2016
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Apologies if this got explained elsewhere in the thread, but I feel like EW would ALSO be alerting (on both sides of the screen) the overcall they made. So, in order to do so, they'd first have to inquire on range (if not informed). Getting to a point where EW didn't know or inquire on range would seem to be the fault of both sides in that case.

Forget about protecting the opponents (that's a given)… I have to protect partner by doing everything I can to make sure we're on the same page about which defense we're using. That starts with asking about (if you're not told) the range.
Jan. 4, 2016
Diana Tenery edited this comment Jan. 4, 2016
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“I really doubt if our group is that much different than a group of life insurance salespeople or other trade groups.”

That may be the case, but specifically on the trash thing… at other conventions (business and gaming) I've gone to, I've never seen anything as disgusting as how bridge players treat the playing rooms. Trash of all kinds strewn on the floor or left on empty tables, sometimes on tables right next to a mostly empty trash can. In Chicago last year, I followed a gentleman who kept leaving cups and wrappers on the floor next to his chair. I finally asked him if he had forgotten some of his stuff and he picked it up and threw it at the nearest wall. It was astonishing.
Dec. 3, 2015
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we need a SUPERLIKE option for comments like Greg's
Nov. 12, 2015
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I have to ask myself what is more likely, that someone entered a business with intent to disrupt or be off putting OR that the patrons/staff are generally suspicious (even described as such by Mr. Jones “I'm always fearful of robbery”) and reacted negatively to someone who didn't fit their norms?

For ME (based on the description of events, knowing Dan's EXTREMELY calm demeanor and my own experiences in unknown clubs), Dan's version rings more true.

And to your point, it doesn't matter who is right or wrong or which version is accurate. What does matter is if we want bridge to survive, club owners and patrons should want to bend over backwards for new and younger visitors.
Nov. 12, 2015
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You mention that you weren't there. So the things you state as fact are what was reported to you, and not necessarily what happened. I am not a close friend of Dan's but have been around him and nothing about how the behavior is described here fits him in the slightest.

I understand the need to defend your club and its patrons however doing it by adding details like “he sneered at that”, “act like you own the place” which are almost certainly untrue don't help the situation.
Nov. 12, 2015
Diana Tenery edited this comment Nov. 12, 2015
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It was very clear he was suggesting people not post email addresses. It was a fine suggestion that he was under no obligation to provide and yet did, to be kind. I've never seen Eugene post where he hasn't been very clear, reading more into that suggestion is surely folly.
Sept. 17, 2015
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Second day of Roth Swiss, first two matches were played against international players who didn't have convention cards. The first round, we called the director who was nice enough to bring the opponent a card to fill out and let him know they needed 2 cards. I can guarantee you it did not get filled out. Second round didn't even bother. All these situations do is make you feel like a whiner and/or bully.
Aug. 18, 2015
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“I often get the impression that the alerting (and/or lack of alerting) is reassuring to the pair that they are on the same wavelength as the auction progresses.”

This is one of those things where there's no good answer. The statement above is EXACTLY what makes me uncomfortable. So much UI is conveyed by a mistaken alert or lack of alert in these auctions. I see it more than I like with unsure pairs (certainly a lot of the less experienced precision pairs I've played against). Whether it's intentional or not, it's nearly impossible to avoid the “confirmation” that you're on the same page by hearing an alert or lack of alert. Of course this happens with all systems but it always makes me feel meh. But sadly, as folks mention, we can't ask them to stop alerting. So it is what it is.
Aug. 17, 2015
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If you know Spanish, it was a great bet. Very small universe of answers (NBA teams) and a language you speak. That was the perfect moment to bet a lot to ensure a lock against a champ who (as someone else pointed out) had been backing into a wins all week.
April 9, 2015
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Congratulations!!
March 1, 2015
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I took part in two appeals during this last NABC, both during NABC+ events. In both cases the appeals committee ruled in our favor, once upholding the director's ruling, the second time overturning it. I don't have as much experience in NABC+ events as many folks posting here, but from my vantage point the directing (even in NABC+ events) can be uneven and I would always prefer the safety of guaranteed peer review and analysis over even directors I'm likely to agree with.

Aside #1, in the appeal where we were the appealing side, I witnessed the director who ruled make no effort to consult any other directors or players before making a table ruling. There has to be some accountability, consistency and oversight if you were to do away with appeals committees.

Aside #2, I was impressed by the care and time taken by both appeals committees I witnessed. Each member asked thoughtful questions and truly seemed to be engaged in the process. When delivering the rulings, the chairperson was clear and detailed in how the committee came to their decision.

While I may not agree with some rulings I've witnessed from afar over the years (including the one featured in this thread) I really couldn't get behind any other process.
Aug. 1, 2014
Diana Tenery edited this comment Aug. 1, 2014
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grats eugene and helen!
Aug. 28, 2012
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@Ron… While I love all of the nature SF has to offer, Muir Woods would really be a stretch if you were playing any 2 session event regardless of schedule. Being free by 7:00 leaves time for a lot of wonderful SF nightlife. That was my point.
July 17, 2012
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I love, love, love (did I mention, love?) the schedule… having to choose between the early bird special or dinner or midnight was just ridiculous… and try getting to the best touristy things with only 8-noon as free time… also ridiculous… I'm saddened that the SF NABC organizers didn't follow Joann's lead since now I'll have to take events off if I want to do any of the wonderful activities or visit any of the wonderful restaurants my hometown has to offer in November. What a waste. Thank you Philly organizers!
July 17, 2012
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