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As to 1, it doesn’t specify a vp scale and this has been one of our biggest arguments, plus having the COC there (if it even was) was irrelevant since it was available when we asked. As to 2, I have no clue, seems crazy that there is no penalties.
June 11
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They get the 48 and 30 or whatever, at the nationals they can choose which one they rather, they wanted to do A more…
June 11
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I mean I think we would be happier to have this rather than nothing, but I think we still have a winning case…
June 11
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Now posted, looks like there was a change in the masterpoints awards. Originally 1st-36 2nd-26 3rd-20(don’t remember this to be honest) now it is 1st 48 2nd 36 3rd 27
June 11
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The typical correction period is 30 minutes, it was corrected after 4 hours. I think since this has happened we have until the Wednesday morning in Vegas to correct this since they have already corrected it late..
June 11
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Ray, I’m sorry to tell you but most of what’s written in this letter is incorrect, they claim they’ve tried to make this decision without prejudice, but the email is made of it since they believe the facts given from the other team with evidence against those “facts”. We have told them what happened but they keep on ignoring us, the author of the email also states “Kissinger announced the format and type of scoring”. He pretends like this is a fact, he wasn’t there, and that is completely untrue.
June 11
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If it was 4 teams everybody still gets to play all day, semi-final, and then 3rd 4th playoff and final
June 8
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Not sure if he stated in writing(although my partner Walt said he did), but it was clear that he didn’t intend for this to be a victory point event, especially because he told us it was W/L at the event.
June 8
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I don’t even know how the system for it works, my dad just explained that they have this to avoid so many lawsuits and he sent them a letter.
June 8
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Not real legal action, just going to the acbl arbitrator and telling them the situation so they can make a final ruling, we don't plan on getting a lawyer.
June 7
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I mean, I don't consider a 3 way to be a round robin, because a bracketed swiss is a round robin and that always uses vps. If we don't consider a 3 way a round robin vps aren't supposed to be used.
June 7
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To be honest, don't think the complainers were in champ flight, I suspect they were in flight B or C(or maybe even A but unlikely) and were upset that they “Didn't get their gold points!”.
June 7
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Another thing is that when we first corresponded with the tournament manager he claimed it was scored on w/l. This event was never supposed to be scored with vps, and he knew it, but now he claims that it was the whole time. But once the director used vps they had to defend this choice.
June 7
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Hi Peg, don't stop playing bridge! We all enjoy seeing you at tournaments and your kindness. This is a crazy situation, but happily a first for me. It will be hard to find people to manage an event this poorly.
June 7
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We're not done yet
June 7
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After going through to COC more I’m convinced that they are calling for a 3 day event. For day 1 it says 7 team format. Which calls for a round robin down to 3. For day 2 with 3 teams it says “see 3 team format” which qualifies 2 teams to the next day. Finally it will now say “See 2 team format” which is just a KO match, hopefully not converted to vps!
June 7
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Imps will make difference we win in total imps. 12+3. 17-3
Kolesnik-15 Gupta 14
June 7
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On the screen it had us at 25 vps and them at 24 vps, and everybody told us congrats on winning since we clearly had. Walt wanted to continue complaining about how dumb this format was but I was ready to go home and said “ It doesn’t matter Walt, we won anyway, even though this is clearly crazy to score this in vps without telling us”. I went home and got a call from Walt at about 7. He said that Shailesh thinks he won. I explained to Walt what to say to Shailesh(who I thought was nice and reasonable) and why he is wrong. Shailesh is very smart I knew, so I figured he found reason and let it go since he knew his case wasn’t winning. I woke up and saw on live that it was changed at 9:30. We sent back emails and the people in charge were difficult if not outright rude. Another problem with this that hasn’t been addressed is that we were never notified of this change, we had the right to appeal but nobody told us this was changed. I do not doubt that the COC were there, but when Walt was asking about something and wanted to see it in the COC. The director stated it is the COC, you don’t need it. About the point that we wanted to appeal, it probably didn’t matter anyway since the director told to us, “I AM the committee” which admittedly have us much laughter later.
June 7
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I’m sorry Mike, I’m not trying to accuse them of lying. We were told by the person running the event that this was win loss. Additionally, I am almost certain that it wasn’t announced to the room. Although, it is possible the director told them that. The reason I suspect we were told it was win loss is likely because it was supposed to be but the director was confused. Also, IF they were saying something incorrect, are we not supposed to say anything? My understanding is that we are trying to present all the facts in this thread, and if something untrue is said it seems that we should correct.
June 6
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Ray, you say that he should’ve stated that we tied tied the match. But this is untrue, just because we get the same vps in this one scale doesn’t mean we tied, we still won the match. Additionally, during the event we knew it wasn’t victory points since we were told otherwise.
June 6
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