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On the screen it had us at 25 vps and them at 24 vps, and everybody told us congrats on winning since we clearly had. Walt wanted to continue complaining about how dumb this format was but I was ready to go home and said “ It doesn’t matter Walt, we won anyway, even though this is clearly crazy to score this in vps without telling us”. I went home and got a call from Walt at about 7. He said that Shailesh thinks he won. I explained to Walt what to say to Shailesh(who I thought was nice and reasonable) and why he is wrong. Shailesh is very smart I knew, so I figured he found reason and let it go since he knew his case wasn’t winning. I woke up and saw on live that it was changed at 9:30. We sent back emails and the people in charge were difficult if not outright rude. Another problem with this that hasn’t been addressed is that we were never notified of this change, we had the right to appeal but nobody told us this was changed. I do not doubt that the COC were there, but when Walt was asking about something and wanted to see it in the COC. The director stated it is the COC, you don’t need it. About the point that we wanted to appeal, it probably didn’t matter anyway since the director told to us, “I AM the committee” which admittedly have us much laughter later.
June 7
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I’m sorry Mike, I’m not trying to accuse them of lying. We were told by the person running the event that this was win loss. Additionally, I am almost certain that it wasn’t announced to the room. Although, it is possible the director told them that. The reason I suspect we were told it was win loss is likely because it was supposed to be but the director was confused. Also, IF they were saying something incorrect, are we not supposed to say anything? My understanding is that we are trying to present all the facts in this thread, and if something untrue is said it seems that we should correct.
June 6
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Ray, you say that he should’ve stated that we tied tied the match. But this is untrue, just because we get the same vps in this one scale doesn’t mean we tied, we still won the match. Additionally, during the event we knew it wasn’t victory points since we were told otherwise.
June 6
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Still holds true no matter what card is removed
June 6
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You make the claim that “2 think it’s business as usual the heck what the COC says”. This is completely untrue and we have repeatedly said this throughout this thread. We were told by the people running the event that it is w/l. And asked for the COC but denied. All 3 teams “knew” it as win/loss because that is what had been said(at least to us) and the director didn’t say otherwise. The people at our district have been disagreeable and unreachable when we make a point they can’t counter, I understand why Kitty and Steve wouldn’t want to deal with that. No reason to bring up Art’s district, even if you disagree with him.
June 6
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Yeah, I would be happy to replay it(with your team too if you wanted). But it seems unrealistic scheduling wise.
June 5
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Ok, I should have some restraint. It is just sad to me that he tells me that he thinks we got lucky to win. I felt that we had some luck go our way and the other way. We fought really hard for this, being down almost all day and then when I wake up for my birthday I found out this was reversed.
June 3
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Weishu, I would’ve been scared if your team had qualified, you guys play tough!
June 3
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Ok, first of all, if you had the right to appeal, so do we, so of course the scores can be changed when we left the winners. Please tell me the “error” in their calculation. How come when we tell them the scale being used is wrong they ignore us, but when you do they instantly adjust the result. Another claim you’ve made is that we are “gathering sympathy” in public forum. This claim is wildly untrue. We don’t want sympathy, we want others to know this crazy situation so it doesn’t happen again. Also, we want the public’s opinion on this debacle and maybe some suggestions of how this should be handled.
June 3
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He did, and sent it to John Kissinger and so did I. But John replies saying he thinks it is unfair for someone to get more vps for winning by 3. And recently it is in the acbls hands.
June 3
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We were lucky to win the match?!?! We got unlucky all day, what about the 90% grand our teammates bid that you guys missed and it went down. If you knew this was victory points I wish you would’ve told us that.
June 3
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Ellis, I agree that it should reflect the amount of boards played. But why this 30 board scale, anyone would agree that a fractional vp scale is more accurate (such as the national scale) and we easily win, or it seems much more fitting to use the 30vp scale that gives an edge to the team that’s winning, it only seems fair that winning should get some bonus. Secondly it doesn’t require it to represent the amount of boards played and the COC doesn’t state this. So legally they have no argument(imo).
June 3
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Yeah, if it was done in vps a team losing both matches could go through, LOL.
June 3
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I’m afraid that we still lose by 1 vp even with the score adjustment, we beat Hiestand by 12 and Gupta by 3. They beat Hiestand by 17. This scale is kinda crazy though, in a 3 way how can winning by 3 and 12 be worse than losing by 3 and winning by 17, even in total imps we win…
June 3
Finn Kolesnik edited this comment June 3
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Hi Debbie, there were halftime scores in imps up on the monitor, the previous day they had the halftime scores converted to vps so if this was intended to be scored that it seems they halftime scores should be in vps. No victory point scale was posted, the original scale was legal but then the tourney organizer agreed with the change to a scale where winning by 3 is counted as a tie because he didn’t think it was fair to for a team to get more vps for winning by 3. Nobody has contested that it said we won on the screen and we were given many congratulations. Originally it was posted on live that we won, but a member of the other team didn’t think the scale was fair so the director instantly changed it. We were never given any notice from the director or tourney organizer that this had been adjusted even though we have the right to appeal. According to Rick and Phil Clayton (who have both played it many times) 3 years ago it was scored by whoever won both, even though the COC have not changed. It means a lot to have a great player like you commenting on our article :).
Thanks
June 3
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Congrats on the win, nice article
June 3
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There is, the 30 board 20 vp scale. But I think this is the only one that we lose on.
June 3
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Weishu was on a different team with Leo Bell and Joe Kivel and Warren Cederborg. I was hoping they qualified since they are all super nice guys.
June 3
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I can understand the other one being penalty(although disagree, 1H- 1NT- P-P-2H-X?) but this one seems very clearly t/o
June 2
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Just so it is clear, we team A beat team C by 12 and team B by 3. Team B beat C by 17. I don’t consider 17 to be a wide margin if 12 is narrow
June 2
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