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I honestly don't get this but I know from past experience, posting a bidding question meant for discussion rather than just a vote, then having to pull the post because a few people felt it wasn't really an article.

Is it really black and white and why is it a big deal? I'm guessing it has something to do with the purity of the feed, if one person does it, then everyone will? And less about an occasional poll masquerading a an article?

So there is no hybrid allowable between such posts?

Just curious…
March 19
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Great format for a question. Thanks. (I changed my vote after giving the question more deliberation and reading the POVs; from 1N&1 is crazy, to 1 and 1NT is OK…but could easily be caucused to option 5)
March 19
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@Jeff Bayone…oh, see every time I hear you speak of the necessity of social games, I do not hear teaching/supervised games. Including those games under the umbrella of social games might be confusing others and thus the resistance you might sense from some of us. Yes! Such games are essential to any well run club in my opinion.

In fact they are the only kind of games I run for local clubs :). Usually they aren't sanctioned because I find most my students have too hard of time separating the process of learning means making mistakes and they aren't willing to make mistakes if they think they are losing or playing for something other than learning itself :).
Feb. 19
Jef Pratt edited this comment Feb. 19
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Full disclosure: at this time I only teach and have no direct responsibilities to the survival of a club.

No judgement, just to be clear, the model you propose is more about sustaining club viability with little or no direct relationship to the ACBL and it's interests (outside of survival :))?

Jeff, can I ask, who are your targets and/or primary takers? Income, age, other defining demographics?

Does anyone else think there is merit in targeting different populations differently rather than offering a one size must fit all model?

To me, there are those that are looking to kill time socially who have the discretionary time and income to do so. They of course offer the greatest source of income for a club. To my detriment, I have no passion to be involved with this demographic personally; but, fortunately, no financial or representative pressure to do so.

That said, I know there are several large social games in town that it would benefit the local clubs to provide space for if they were inclined and needed extra income due to the shrinking duplicate population.

There are those, who are looking for similar social opportunities as above but would be interested in a more competitive atmosphere, those that transition to duplicate in Jeff's model.

And then there are those who come to the game looking for a mindsport for competitive reasons and even for mental fitness and health, and, I find millennials also interested in this aspect of the game, who get turned off by mundane lessons geared towards the presumed mass interest and tolerance. They are looking for something more of a true competitive mind sport, and only find bridge being taught and promoted as something more pastoral. I personally disregarded the game for decades because I didn't know there was a whole world of competitive players and games out here.

It seems there are 3-levels at least, social, club and then those who are looking for more of a sport or potentials.

Finally, the arguments to keep clubs afloat, whether financially and/or membership, I think a club has to weigh for themselves the cost of survival at the cost of mission. Not everyone will want to run a club that becomes more and more social and devoted to other games different than bridge, just to survive.

I truly hear you Jeff, and think what you are doing is great. When I recreate my beginners classes (one geared towards club players, and a different AP sort of class for those interested in bridge as a mind sport), they will be along the lines you have recommended, but I know I wouldn't have the passion to get out of bed to run a club that didn't reflect and fulfill the mission to promote the game of bridge as a competitive social mind sport.
Feb. 6
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As a bridge teacher, I always laugh in amazement, when new students say they want to learn bridge to exercise and sharpen their mind; but when they realize they have to actually think…LOL.
Dec. 25, 2018
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Yup, I bought a PrimeBook for about the same price and it has been nothing but headaches. I've had very good experience with Lenovo.
Nov. 29, 2018
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My recollection of his hand was something similar to Axxxx Void QJxx Axxx. I'd have bid the diamonds before the clubs for economical rebid.
I do play rebid of major to show 6+ but I can't say for sure if that would have been our agreement.
My idea of the perfect auction would have been, 1-2; 3-3; 4(a)-5.

(a) picture complete

BTW, I didn't imagine a 5=0=4=4 for the very reason that I took 3 to show longer clubs than either red suit…I'm in a quandary if that is valid though.
Oct. 1, 2018
Jef Pratt edited this comment Oct. 1, 2018
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Agreed, it is pushy, and not my normal style.
Oct. 1, 2018
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I added that information so that you would have the same information I did, which helped me try to envision his hand shape, as there was no agreement. I took 3 to show 4+ and didn't further limit his hand. I rebid 3 to hope to cater to the probable 5224 or 6??4. He was actually 5=0=4=4 with 11 points. He felt it was obvious for me to bid 4, says his expert friends all agreed, but I still didn't buy it was clear cut.
BTW, had I felt I could bid 3 I would have and in the end I should have anyways as he bid 3N going down 1, where 5 makes.
Oct. 1, 2018
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Ditto
July 17, 2018
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I suppose the first thing to explore is, which enterprise, profit or nonprofit, if either, does or is better at recruiting and retaining new players historically.

Second, even though one might be better than the other in the past, what is best for the future? Is either method capable of being agile and flexible enough to rebrand itself to attract contemporary markets when that market changes and still remain desirable to its current membership?

Image, branding, hooking etc…all has been tried, with some interesting results (EasyBridge, comes to mind), but personal experience has shown, younger generations do not take to the hook, line and sinker methods of being seduced, especially when they find out bridge isn't easy, they feel betrayed.
July 14, 2018
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“. I am not sure that the younger generation is as motivated by wealth as the bridge generation is/was. But I have little doubt that the opportunity socialize with the upper classes was one of the draws of bridge in its heyday.”
This is one of the most important statements of any of our discussions and why so many of us are getting this all wrong. The younger Generations are not of the same mindset of us. if bridge is going to continue it will be they that will make it what it is to become. it's just like playing a hand of bridge, sometimes the winning move is to let go of control.
July 13, 2018
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For all three levels, bring in mindful awareness supported by current science (neuroscience) to why we behave and react the way we do at the table in competition. (He's the nicest guy in the world away from the table…)

On the same note, to go against some of those who think we need stricter enforcement of the laws, to take serious offense to those who exploit the laws, especially when playing newer and less experienced players, for underserved gain. The spirit of the laws and the game of bridge is to win what we deserve strategically and tactically. To want to win tricks we don't deserve is the antithesis of the spirit of the game.

And regarding the enforcement of the laws, that preference be made towards the spirit of the laws rather than the letter of the laws, which takes greater and deeper understanding of the laws.
July 11, 2018
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Several times a week regularly
July 3, 2018
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It is worked into the system, the first class after the 3-hour conversion class.
July 1, 2018
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My journey in bridge was discouraging for the same reason I hear from my students, why were we taught something so inferior, so ambiguous? Why didn't we learn this first? The answer, because that was how the system evolved and all the money went into teaching that system and creating teaching materials and methods for that system, without foresight…no ones fault really, until now at least…

None of them complain about the artificial bids, because they feel and experience the power of knowing right away, what level they are bidding to…all their focus can be put to finding where.

But yes, the system we have started to create for beginners will focus first on the play, before system. That part, system is irrelevant.
July 1, 2018
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I use BBO and Skype as well. The obstacle is the Whist part without the auction part. But you can put in a notrump contract and then play Whist style I think.
July 1, 2018
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I would add that the students can choose a teacher if there are options of style and focus for them.
July 1, 2018
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There has been one great revelation in all this, by Steve, yet, we can't stop the pissing contests. Can we make this work…Three types of bridge platforms (they are actually already in place),

1) one-size fits all for the casual players who believe they just want a social experience,

2) Competitive club players, into learning and competing but wanting a large pool of potential partners

3) Diehard serious players, whose idea of fun is competing with and being challenged by the best regardless of the pool size. Always wanting to be at the front of bridge theory, evolution and competition.

Best practices are relative. This is what I I've learned.
July 1, 2018
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LOL
July 1, 2018
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