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I get the dreaded 500 message on Safari. Chrome worked fine.
15 hours ago
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We partner in the same house. What difference does it make? We could be in different countries and exchange info if we were so inclined. New inventions like the telephone and IM make that pretty easy.
June 26
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Perhaps a second double then?
June 24
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At Allan - Are you saying that I imagined what has transpired here? I don't know him but I looked at all the hands. It's laughable to say that I'm imagining that there is likely more to this story than just what was reported.

Peter Pan and the Easter Bunny would be proud of you.
June 24
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David - I have no direct knowledge one way or the other.

My point is simply that this wasn't an isolated “mistake”. This player did this in multiple events over a long period of time. He didn't just have a “lapse” on one hand or in one game it was planned and executed in hand after hand to a ridiculous and indefensible extent.

Past involvement I have had with these types of incidents leads me to believe that they almost never just suddenly spring up as a one off. Players who do this type of thing generally have a history. I would be shocked if there have been no complaints about his actions in the past.

My question for you and others who have expressed the same sentiments is why do you assume that this is a one time lapse?
June 24
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Are you confident that this is the first time he's been caught?
June 23
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@Goran - “i thought the answer to this question to be obvious. when your kid cheats at something…”

Goran there is a reason little children are treated differently. Some need to learn right from wrong. For that reason there are different laws and punishments for little children as opposed to adults.

Children are not always able to grasp the importance of ethics and honesty. Some cannot appreciate the long term implications of such actions.

Adults presumably can assess the risk/reward of their actions. Andrew knew what he was doing was wrong and the possible implications if caught.

Saying that he's paid the price just by being exposed is ridiculous.
June 23
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Goran - what conclusion can you draw from your assumption?

1. Are there more online players therefore a higher total number of unethical people?
2. Is it easier to cheat online therefore more cheaters?
3. Is it because someone who cheats online will or won't cheat in person?

I believe that the answer to number 3 is that someone who cheats online, given the opportunity, will cheat in person. Cheaters get addicted to the sugar high of winning by any means.

Will someone who cheats at bridge (online or in person) cheat at golf? Will they tell a cashier they gave them too much change? Will they claim all their income on tax returns. Will they, when caught, woefully apologize and beg for forgiveness.
June 23
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@Ben - “People are just mad this clown is getting paid for this.”
Ben I wish I had your crystal ball. You have cracked the code! NOT

What do you really know about this? People who have no ethics or conscience will cheat at any form of any game regardless of level of importance or monetary gain.
Unethical people cheat for all sorts of reasons but what it really boils down to is being able to get away with it.

Do you really think that this player wouldn't try to clip a board, steal a trick in the results reporting or be willing to collide if they found a willing partner in live events? Experience has shown that cheaters do what they do best - cheat. Regardless of the importance of the event.

This wasn't a one off or a momentary lapse. He did this in multiple events over an extended period of tome. I'll bet anything he wasn't clean in live events either.

There have been very few examples of true rehabilitation even after reinstatement.
June 23
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Amy Peter et al - I am still in favor of a lifetime ban for planned and coordinated cheating.

If someone takes advantage of a hesitation that is a completely different story.

Perhaps I view the “well he apologized so let's welcome him back to the fold” as radical a position as you view a lifetime ban.

Consider this - If we welcome him back just because he got caught and apologized what will deter others from committing the same crime?
June 22
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Amy - I in no way felt bullied. Peter strongly disagreed and I maintained my stance. I was expressing my view which is that a lifetime ban is IMO appropriate. It's not up to me It's simply my view.

I can take care of myself.
June 22
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Ok Brian - perhaps a 5+ year ban would be suitable with some public service as a requirement.

Certainly those saying well now that you have confessed we'll welcome you back are misguided.
June 22
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@ Peter - “You are just stirring up the mob and I think you should think carefully about withdrawing your words as I cannot believe you really believe what you write. ”

Peter it's about time people got stirred up. Do you really believe that someone will cheat in isolation?
I am not retracting my statement and I do believe what I wrote. Is there a higher crime in the bridge world than cheating?

Do you think Andrew would have confessed had he not been outed? I suspect he would be sleeping just fine.

Let's look at the sequence of events (Not unusual BTW)

Hands reported publicy
Perp ignores at first
Denials
Excuses
Falling on sword when completely cornered
Asking for forgiveness and hoping for a pass

Maybe some are more forgiving, not me.
June 22
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It's amazing how remorseful people are when they get caught.
Andrew your actions have cheapened the game we love. It doesn't matter whether it was for monetary gain or not.

I hope BBO and your bridge Union throws the book at you and bans you for life.
June 22
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Edward are you saying that this is ok for “minor” players?
June 21
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Justin thanks for the clarification. FYI my post was not meant as personal or a statement about you although I can see how it might be interpreted that way. I've always admired you.

I was expressing doubt that the same people would have been objecting a suspension of an unknown poster for the same issues.

This just mirrors the concern expressed earlier regarding the committee put together to evaluate questionable online actions. IMO it's difficult if not almost impossible to separate personal views of bridge friends when looking at actions taken at the table. The professional bridge community is a small one with friends and teammates often presenting a conflict of interest which can unintentionally color opinions and possible decisions.

There are plenty of examples of pairs that have been cut slack in spite of the word spreading that they are not on the up and up.
June 21
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See my comments upthread regarding friends and people we like. Should there be different rules or applications of the rules for people we know and like? If who knows had done the same rant on BW causing the moderators to pull multiple comments would we be protesting and holding up signs saying “free who knows”?

I notice that Peter has not been reinstated and no one is protesting. Is there a double standard?
June 21
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@ Brian - “Adding some non-professionals is also be a great idea”

Agree completely. I'm certain there are some very competent non-professionals who could be added to this committee.
June 20
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Jeff I applaud the effort but forgive my skepticism. It appears there have been some situations where friends and likable players have been cut more slack than others even on this forum. Just a personal observation btw.

In an NABC a few years ago we played against a top pair wearing “say not to cheats” buttons who stole the gold out of our teeth. The only explanation for the absurd decision made at the table was that something nefarious was going on. Before you ask - yes we reported it to the recorder and the anti cheating commission. AFAIK they were still playing a year later.

I wish this impressive group the best and remain hopeful.
June 19
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Our approach is that cuebids below game are informative when bidding opposite an unlimited hand. To go beyond game one must have extra values.

If I held this hand and did not bid 4h, I would deny a heart control. Having a agreement to the contrary can result in a lot of minuses at the five level.
June 16
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