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At your convenience, monsieur.
Sept. 16, 2015
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We've played 3 rounds of
Sept. 16, 2015
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We've played 3 rounds of
Sept. 16, 2015
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I was thrilled when I received a private message from Jeth Meckstroff recently & yet a little saddened when he spelled my name wrong therein (I'd be willing to wager that Jonathan is the most commonly misspelled biblical name.) Now I don't feel nearly so bad.
Sept. 16, 2015
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Given even more recent developments, his silence is quite understandable. Kudos to Monaco.
Sept. 16, 2015
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Cool beans.
Sept. 16, 2015
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At the risk of contradicting Jenny's Dad, I have no quarrel with Mr. Allavena & I certainly don't perceive it as impolite for him to decline to answer my questions. I think the questions needed to be asked, though. I'm glad he had the opportunity to consider them.
Sept. 16, 2015
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Politically as well, dare I say. Great video, it definitely made bridge look fun.
Sept. 16, 2015
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David, Geoff was having some fun & Michael was having some fun back.
Sept. 16, 2015
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Jean-Charles Allavena is posting in a ‘Brogeland is right’ thread. Perhaps we'll have a breakthrough today!

Mr. Allavena, it sounds like you are acknowledging (by describing how blatant/obvious it was) the cheating done by Fantunes. Would you also agree that at least one Monaco team member has publicly acknowledged that truth?

Leaving your personal feelings for Mr. Brogeland aside, do you think it's right that your country's Bermuda Bowl team STILL hasn't withdrawn (to the best of my knowledge)?

Do you have any plans to respond to Mr. Brogeland's response to your response, in which he calls into question certain aspects of your version of events? http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/from-monacos-bridge-federation-mr-jean-charles-allavena/?cj=229310#c229310

Do you not recall this post http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/israel-do-the-right-thing/?cj=221534#c221534 you made in an analogous situation, or do you not see these situations as analogous?

If it matters, many of us didn't like the way teasers & accusations preceded the evidence in the F-S case. But the evidence was so overwhelming that for most of us that issue became a side note at best. I hope that you will put your personal feelings for Mr. Brogeland aside and do the right thing.
Sept. 16, 2015
Jonathan Ferguson edited this comment Sept. 16, 2015
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I think that if anyone should hire professional cheater-spotters, it's the people with the most to gain/lose: the clients/sponsors.

Imagine all the money squandered in the last dozen or so years to chase after titles that were all-but-unwinnable and the relative pittance in comparison it would have cost to catch the folks who ‘everybody knew were cheating’ years ago.

Or how about a bounty/reward system like they have in some jurisdictions for reporting crimes?

Perhaps people would even do it independently in the hopes of being able to blackmail any cheaters they discovered. Of course, if they were successful (at blackmail,) the cheating would continue.

Another step that clients/sponsors could take would be to include some sort of anti-cheating provisions in their contracts with their teammates. The enforceability of such provisions would probably vary by jurisdiction, but if legally valid/binding they would provide a tremendous incentive for pros to toe the line (or risk financial ruin.)
Sept. 16, 2015
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Since it's an analogous situation (imo) to that faced by the Israeli team, I think a few quotes from that thread might resonate: (I should make it explicit that just because *I* consider the 2 situations analogous obviously doesn't mean that the people I quote below do as well.)

Leslie Amoils: “Therefore they should not compete, and urge the IBF to withdraw from the BB, or failing that, and perhaps even better , I urge the members of the Israeli team to voluntarily withdraw.

if they do not do what I consider to be the right thing, then the WBF should step in and not allow them to compete”

It was right for Israel, it is right for Monaco.

Josh Donn: “When there is this giant shroud or question surrounding how the team qualified, and it won't be solved (in an official capacity) in time, then they should definitely withdraw the team as soon as possible rather than waiting.”

Greg Lawler: “Top players might give their teammates the benefit of the doubt when there are only accusations, but when the evidence is there for them to see themselves, they must do the right thing. If you can see that your teammates were cheating, you should not wait for an official body to make that statement. This is the bold step that was taken by the Richie Schwartz team and should now be expected at the highest levels of bridge.”

Leslie Amoils (replying to Greg): “… obviously I could not agree with you more in regard to the Israeli team

what really bothers me is that by not coming out and making this or some other type of statement, they are casting a pall over themselves and making it that seem they may be complicit or something even more nefarious. to be clear, I am not suggesting this to be the case at all but I would not be surprised if others are thinking that …”

Reference: this thread http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/israel-do-the-right-thing/
Sept. 16, 2015
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I think it's up to Boye.
Sept. 15, 2015
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No reason to apologize, Jim. EH is mad at me because I recently quoted the first paragraph of a private message he sent me 2+ years ago. It is what it is.
Sept. 15, 2015
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This thread can now be the secret cool kids hangout.
Sept. 15, 2015
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Busted by the fun police.
Sept. 15, 2015
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I have said this before and I am not scared to repeat myself:

The day top-level bridge is only played under such conditions that it is no longer absurdly simple to cheat is the day I quit.

But seriously, that's what the ‘traditionalists’ are essentially saying. Not that they themselves are cheating, but that they won't play a game unless it's so ridiculously easy to cheat that surely someone else will.

Such a point of view baffles me.

Traditionally, bridge is a game to be played by moral people. We live in an amoral age. There is no squaring that circle without greatly enhanced security precautions.
Sept. 15, 2015
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It sounds like Monaco is digging in.

Time for a ‘Helgemo-Helness - Do the Right Thing’ thread.
Sept. 15, 2015
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If Monaco/Zimmermann won't do the right thing, today, then surely Helgemo/Helness must.
Sept. 15, 2015
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Edit: I posted this before reading the entire thread. My views on this matter have changed.
Sept. 15, 2015
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