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The vaguery being a result of too many arguments about dumping. They began in the Kaplan era (if not before). If you were in a three-way and were winning anyway, should you dump to one of the teams if doing so would have a positive effect on the rest of the bracket for you? Ad nauseum… But it is hard to believe that it is okay to begin play in an event when you have no intention of finishing it.
June 7
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Follow the money. Need room nights–check. Need a strong team–check. Need to pay for everyone going to China and back, so to speak–check.

If you started in the open and failed, tried the mixed and failed, and are over a certain age, you got three shots at the apple and a lovely bit of time in Illinois. I'm happy to stay home.
June 6
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Some right here. Those who think ACBL's fingers are in too many places. I didn't care for the frequent perfume notices either. People should regulate themselves, but alas…
Dec. 10, 2013
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Oh dear, I presumed it did. I was so grateful for a link from a credible magazine. Well, at least we are headed in the right direction by looking at links. Hate to say, but I bet the contributors here have put more thought into the issue than those who stamped the rule. That is progress.
Dec. 8, 2013
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LOL MK. There. That is you. No problem with any of your contributions, much appreciated.
Dec. 8, 2013
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Thank you for the links, Chris.

The question stands. What is within the purview of ACBL and what is not?
Dec. 8, 2013
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Michael S (edited to include the S)

I silenced nobody. You will see everything admin here allows. I chose to ignore one ‘critic’ because of his rude tone, and insistence on continuing it even after I politely and privately asked for more objective discourse.

Many here have pointed out that I either misinterpreted the ACBL rules, or they flat out disagree with the poll, my opinions, etc. That is all fine and good. Rudeness is not, and personal attacks are not.
Dec. 8, 2013
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Bulletins often say no smoking in the hotel. I read the addendum to mean no EC in the hotel. But if the hotel doesn't mind and it's not a playing area (okay Mike, or bathroom or entry sale table) then I don't think ACBL has a right to impose.
Dec. 8, 2013
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I asked you privately to refrain from making personal remarks in the open forum. I now ask you publicly. Be fair to those who want to discuss the pole and original question.

You are correct in that I think ACBL has over reached here. Others do too.

Now to find the block setting so I can concentrate on the helpful comments from all (other) participants.
Dec. 8, 2013
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Are you a scientist? Have you done any research about ECs? I have. I mentioned no science in my poll. I asked what ACBL should and should not regulate.
Dec. 8, 2013
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From time to time ACBL extends their statement to include stairways, etc., depending on what day's bulletin you read. So, using an EC would be a violation there even if not a violation of hotel policy. Perhaps the problem is one of making ad hoc decisions, but the fact remains that ACBL policies may be in conflict with hotel policies. So, more innocuous, sometimes yes.
Dec. 8, 2013
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I don't think I can add an option for number two, but if I changed the word room to playing area, would that matter? Click ‘like’ if so….
Dec. 8, 2013
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I was just paraphrasing the rule, which too few obey anyway. Not sure to what extent that relates here, but it for sure shows support for the idea that rules should be made only if enforceable or enforced. There are lots of other polls up for grabs along those lines… Slow play penalties, ZT, etc.
Dec. 8, 2013
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I would think you should ask for permission if allowed in the bridge room. I think common courtesy should prevail. I hope we don't have to define that.
Dec. 8, 2013
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Nat, nobody here has suggested bringing back cigarettes to the bridge table or its environs. The poll was designed to find out if ACBL should have the right to extend banning their use to an entire hotel or convention space, even if allowed by that body.

Mike, I remember those days. As a smoker, I quickly moved to playing in non smoking sections. We are talking apples and oranges here.
Dec. 8, 2013
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I am talking about the one line that said that ecigarettes are added to the no smoking laws. You should research that law.
Dec. 8, 2013
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Paul, please explain your reasoning. I understand that caffeine is also an addictive stimulant. I would ban it for a different reason. The mess left behind… But that is another story.
Dec. 8, 2013
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Nat and Michael (and others),

My post was intended to see what people think about how this little one liner crept in. It was not intended as a platform for a soap box for smokers or for nom smokers. While I appreciate the input, I would like to see it get back on track.
Dec. 8, 2013
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Now we are getting petty. Either ACBL should regulate spaces they have not rented or they should. Other than the bathroom, perhaps, they should butt out. Don't start in about elevators, etc. it pet peeves me no end when people insist on screaming into their cell phones in elevators. Yet I would not ever consider asking ACBL to regulate this.
Dec. 8, 2013
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I certainly did not say that putting carcinogens in the air is acceptable. I even think it is okay to breathe and wear perfume. I just think that ACBL should regulate the playing space and not the lobby, etc.
Dec. 8, 2013
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