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That certainly creates more options for a hand like this, but we were playing simple Michaels, so my options were more limited.
Without agreed upon special methods, I think the respondents' choice of 1S is best, trusting to be able to take further appropriate action.
Sept. 27, 2019
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2 in my system would mean H's and S's, so would have misled P too much. 1S seems to be best, with a fuller description to follow.
Sept. 26, 2019
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I actually agree with you. When putting the question into BW, I just didn't see how to get the vote prior to providing the synopsis. It was more a way of soliciting an opinion on a rare hand (my last one color hand was 35+ years ago) than getting a completely objective survey, so I apologize for that. What was/is most curious to me is the difference in soliciting opinions from A-level players in the “warmth” of the moment verbally between sessions at the tournament and visually here. Here, 1S is the overwhelming winner (and I agree the correct bid, as there is really no hurry, or definitive way, to convey your extreme shape) in the survey. At the tournament, people either deferred with a “what did you bid?” inquiry on their face or bid 4S or X. Only one pro (one of the calmest, most analytic I know) said 1S without reservation, citing the possible adverse S breaks and no need to be in a hurry. Most foresaw the difficulty in getting to 6 in either black suit on hands that would make it (as was the case) & felt 4S the most likely end result, however. The general approach of proceeding slowly when the hand belongs to you at the game or slam level again appears best here. Thanks for your input.
Sept. 11, 2019
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Thanks. Interesting treatment and possibilities from it.
Sept. 4, 2019
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That might've worked well here, with all roads leading to 4S, or perhaps more bidding could've helped you and P to decide whether to leave X of 5d in. I wish I had written the hand down or could remember the H's in the hand but time constraints and the H's being immaterial to my contract kept me from so doing. RHO may have gotten to mention H's, but if pushed, on the actual layout of the cards 6S makes, so your method works well in the majority of cases with this hand, I think.
Sept. 4, 2019
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I'm a bit late to this forum, but (except for the table experiences) second everything Robin said above.
Sept. 4, 2019
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At the table, I elected to bid the game I felt was most likely to make, 4S, with the realization that I might miss a slam, but after the opening bid and missing SK,CK,CQ I felt 2 losers were likely. 1S has a lot to be said for it, as the hand is not likely to be passed out after that, & it leaves the most room for exploration. Any Blackwood will have the problem of whether values are duplicated or even necessary, and location of SK, CK & CQ along with whether you can get to partner's hand. Double would mis-describe your hand, but that may not be bad as long as you just followup with an appropriate # of S's or C's. At the other table, N bid 4S, followed by 5D, X, P and S bid 5S. S had 6D's to the K-10. SK was offside, but P had K-x of C's with both black suits breaking evenly so both declarers made 6S's. It was my first completely 2-suited hand since 1984 and it went for a push, which in retrospect is about what I should've expected. 5D X'd by E would've been down at least 2, but need 3 for a profit and I forget the rest of the hand. Suggested bidding path for a (somewhat) anti-percentage 6S or 6C's?
Sept. 4, 2019
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I'm not wild about bidding anything here without knowing more about opps 4441 agreement and the doubling agreements, but the X's would both be takeout-oriented in my partnerships, so I old my nose and bid the lowest place with which my partner may agree. Given the usual responses & F/U bids to MiniRoman, P is more likely to have a m than M. I agree with Richard that X of 2H (responsive-like) may very well have done our partnership the most good - I have H's & as much as P can expect, so why not tell him? It could backfire if opener had 4H's, but P should then be short there & know something's amiss.
Feb. 11, 2018
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That also works fine in IMP's, and it can still be converted to 7NT in MP play.
May 23, 2017
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I bid 3S but I think it really comes down to whether it is easier to obtain forgiveness for bidding this from your partner afterwards or permission to be so aggressive ahead of time. If your partner is a strict by-the-booker, P is going to be a lot more harmonious.
May 17, 2017
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Given your agreements, which would also be mine with most partners, I see nothing wrong with 3D, which accurately describes your shape. Partner is going to bid again, you appear misfit in spite of your HCP, and 3N may be the best strain if P bids it. Pass whatever game he bids. I don't see any hurry to try to steer to any strain yourself.
May 17, 2017
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Playing standard NegX and 1S, one does indeed curse the bridge gods(demons?) with this hand. I hate to pass just because there is no good bid, but that was my vote here. The weak NT comment below is noteworthy. It may be whoever wins this auction gets the negative score.
May 14, 2017
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1N in a romp. 'bots at times are less than predictable - like partners!
May 13, 2017
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Jay, on the suggested SJS auction, with opener rebidding 3S, 4NT by responder should elicit a 5S (2 with) or 5N (even with a void) response from opener. With the given responder hand, I agree completely that bidding 7S OR 7N would not only be indicated but expected. If responder just bid 6N, as opener, I would have trouble accepting his decision to stop there and not bid 7S (he did,after all, initiate RKC after S's). If he wanted to correct to 7N, fine, as I don't know about his source of outside tricks, or understand, like you, why he didn't just bid it himself over 5N.
May 13, 2017
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That would work, with a bit of angst, playing strong jump shifts. Not as good a story, though.:)
May 12, 2017
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Robin, as usual, your input is insightful, and probably the single best reason for 2S being the best, and most popular choice. It is wrong for defense, but today's style is to “take up” action rather than “go quietly” into the goodnight of letting opps play unchallenged 2M contracts.
May 5, 2017
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Agree completely. In the all-important postmortem, we all agreed opening 1S followed by a key-card auction (we use specific K ask) would have been a more disciplined, scientific approach. We also use Voidwood. Responder would have started started it, so the true value of opener's hand may have been a bit difficult for responder to appreciate, but using the same logic he did at the table, I think 7N could still be reached. Probably better bridge, but not as good a story.
Also, on the down side (responder having a bad hand, playing 2/1 and making every effort to respond (at leasst 1N) to a 1S opener, there is very little chance of missing a 4S game.
May 5, 2017
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Point well taken, and I certainly consider 2S reasonable, and looking at the upside, it may well be better. I remember what Eddie Kantar used to say, though, “Do not plan on P having specific cards - he will not have them.” Looking at the downside, give LHO(opener) KJx, KQxxx, x, Axxx and RHO the HA (not unreasonable) and there could be tough sledding. I think most, and I might at the table, bid 2S in this setting since we all like to compete, but it is not without a down side, particularly if P is less than disciplined or nearly broke, which he may be, since opener could be quite strong wrt HCP and X v V might look good v a W game. I'll leave specific odds to the statisticians and/or computer programmers, as comparing missing a V game to extra negative X'd frequency/reward/penalty doesn't seem easy to me.
I think it's a good question,even if 2S is the overwhelming favorite in BW's respondents.
Appreciate your input - thanks.
May 4, 2017
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2S may well be right, and 5-6 IMP's is likely at stake either way. It likely depends on you opponents and partner. The problem for P is that 2S is ambiguous and R v W is reason for some caution, especially v good defenders. Most will probably go for 2S, wanting to push rather than be pushed, but opener is unlimited, behind you, and his S holding is unknown, unless they play Flannery, not that popular nowadays.
May 4, 2017
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I must admit my X was a misclick. I would pass as the majority did. I had already bid my hand, though I may well have said 4D (preempt has high as possible as soon as possible).
May 4, 2017
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