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I don't think that we are discussing how laws should be, but how to apply them. We are bound by the Laws. There are laws that I don't like, others that I would prefer to be different. But how does this type of argument help the OP know if the TD was right or wrong?
July 5, 2016
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That is completely wrong. I am having a hard time understanding why people have a hard time with 17d…
July 5, 2016
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And the TD shouldn't need a timeout to come up with the correct ruling
July 5, 2016
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The right question is not what would they do, but what do they think the BIT and body language showed.
July 4, 2016
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You re right Roland. You cant be in a situation where youre doomed whatever action you take. You cannot demonstrably suggest A and NON A at the same time….
July 2, 2016
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The polling question is not the most adequate. The relevant polling question is what does the slow 5c show…
July 2, 2016
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It is clear that there is UI. What is the UI? If we are to roll back then we need to show that the huffing and puffing *shows extras* and demonstrably suggests bidding on. For me, it just shows nithng except that the player has a problem. Maybe he wanted to bid 5.5 clubs, or maybe 4.5. If we establish that it suggests bidding on, then i'm perfectly ok with rolling back. I don't think that we can establish that. However, it is a perfectly sensible polling question to ask: “what does the BIT and all the body language suggest to you?” In this case it is also adequate to ask other C players, also because different kevels of players might come to different conclusions. My bet is that the players would say “dunno”. “Does it suggest bidding more or passing?” “Dunno”. And if that is the case then score stands. The poll should not be just “what do u bid” but “ what does the BIT suggest”, because in this case that aspect is the most important of the case.

Also, if the slam was going down and the player passed probably there would be complaints that he should have bid on because “ the bit suggested passing ”. In other words and imho, it suggests nothing.

One action can not demonstrably suggest A and NON A at the same time
July 2, 2016
Rui Marques edited this comment July 2, 2016
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Well, Peter, I did note that I prefer recorded polls. I think that video is going a bit too far, but perfectly acceptable
June 7, 2016
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Duncan, (and other below), I just presented the case as a starting point to talk about the polling process, I know that at the time it was very controversial (and the solution is not simple). No point hijacking the thread with the debate of the final decision…
June 7, 2016
Rui Marques edited this comment June 7, 2016
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Michael, yes, my mistake.
June 7, 2016
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Gonzalo, never ever… Kit and Peg explained it perfectly.

BTW, some players are perfectly able to abstract themselves from the extra information that they know
June 7, 2016
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I think that at the top levels all judgment cases should result in polls. At lower levels, doesn´t shock me that only some cases get polled by players. But the other cases, if you have a team of directors, should never be ruled by a director alone without discussing with the colleagues. If you don´t have a team of TDs but are operating solo, have someone at hand to discuss, whenever possible.

One of the practices for many years in the European and World championships, way before the polling process, was (and is) that NO case has a decision without it being discussed among the TDs and validated by the senior TD in the room, and if the case is harder, by one of the Head TDs. Of course, straightforward cases are ruled by the TD by himself.
June 7, 2016
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I do mention that the information obtained from the pollee should be not only what action he would choose but also what other alternatives he considers. Whether it is done by asking “hwa do you do” and “what are your other choices”, or “what are your choices”, or “what are your thoughts on this situation”, or “up to you” and “any alternatives”, or something else, is (more or less) equivalent. But yes, the TD should get from the pollees the alternatives that he seriously considers or actually might take.
June 7, 2016
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Jeroen, I wrote a small article before about “online” polls.

Sabine, usually the TD will not have that information, but yes, if it is available it is useful evidence for the TD.
June 7, 2016
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I don´t like the “strongly”, but TDs have their opinions… What they should not do is channel their opinion to the players being polled.
June 7, 2016
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Not sure if he/she knew, but I also didn´t want to do a Ronnie Pickering…
May 8, 2016
Rui Marques edited this comment May 8, 2016
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I often see (some) directors schooling players like that: “That is a very bad thing to do, don´t do it anymore”, like if players did whatever they did on purpose… Happened to me once in a regional this year, for forgetting a convention…
May 7, 2016
Rui Marques edited this comment May 7, 2016
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“The director said that any statement by declarer acknowledging an error was a claim”… is my comment so far removed from the posted problem? I agree that it is not ok to do those types of comments, but that does NOT transform the comments into a claim.
The TD seems to have decided (if the report of the facts is correct) that the result should be, in fair justice, -1, and then squeezed and molded the argument to fit the decision. That is not the way to go…
May 7, 2016
Rui Marques edited this comment May 7, 2016
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Is “oh sorry I should not have blackwooded” a claim?… A claim is a claim and this one ain't it…
May 5, 2016
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