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you just ask in the cheapest step that would be helpful(which is longest to shortest suits, of the outside suits from the ‘set’ trumps) once you've got your answer if it doesn't help you ask again in the next suit and so on .. in the sequence I put up, for simplicity, I did edit it between 5 and 7, meaning that i would have asked suit quality questions in diamonds and then clubs, but as the answers didn't help I omitted them from the final submission.
Oct. 20, 2013
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Similar (up to a point) as Gonzalo's auction - a variation on Viking Precision.
1 (16+) - 1 (negative) - 1 (20+) - 1 (second negative, 0-4) - 2 (20+ unbalanced, 24+ balanced) - 2 (3-4 hcp and natural) - 2NT (best bid I can find, all 3 level bids will assume unbalanced) - 3 (a fifth spade, partner will assume I have 24/25 balanced) - 3NT (to play).
Even if I treated it as a balanced 23 count, all roads seem to lead to Rome (or at least 3NT) … 1-1-1-1-2NT-3-3-3NT.
I guess it's not the worst contract I've been in or will in the future too .. switch the J to the J and Q to the Q/Q and there's 9 tricks on top.
Oct. 20, 2013
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I haven't given it too much thought as yet, but one possible solution could be: (std polish suit quality ask) first step = rubbish, second = Q or AK, third = K or AQ, fourth = A or KQ, fifth = AKQ .. then .. the next step up would be a relay ask in the same suit asking about Jack with a simple no/yes stepped response, whereas two steps up would be a suit quality ask in your next longest suit. the downside of this is that you may run out of bidding space before getting more important info, so I guess it would be dependant on where the RKC ask was: a simple golden rule could be (for instance) if RKC is asked at the 3 level then the Jack ask comes into play otherwise it is as standard .. ? might work? I'll do some simulations to see if it is workable once I get chance.
Oct. 20, 2013
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It's a very interesting addition and one I shall be giving some thought to, as I don't think it would take too much away from what we already have in place within our system - it could very well be ‘workable’. Many thanks.
Oct. 20, 2013
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Interesting. We can (occasionally) find out about the Jack of Trumps in a Queen ask, but not in the outside suits. I abbreviated the above auction between 5 and 7 as in reality I would have enquired as to suit qualities in 's & 's because as ‘captain’ I know only of partners A, Q & K so there's 2-4 more HCP's lurking somewhere .. give him the K or K then 7 is definitely on.
Oct. 19, 2013
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In the Bird/Anthias book ‘winning suit contract leads’ - they make a good point that in auctions that go 1M-2M-4M you have more chances to take the contract off than if it went 1M-3M-4M by virtue that declarer will usually have ‘little to spare’ .. so in these cases passive leads tend to be a slight favourite. In their conclusions in Chapter 1, they would definitely recommend the 9 opposed to the T
Oct. 19, 2013
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Using modified Viking Precision on the hand given I can get to the small slam level but the Grand only makes by virtue of South having the J, which in my methods I have no way of finding out: However, If North was to have KJ and South AQxx then I'd have no problems (as shown below):
(assuming South dealer)
1 (11-15 5+ hearts)- 1NT (GF relay)- 2 (11-13, balanced or other Major) - 3 (4=5=3=1) - 4C (RKC ) - 4 (2 no queen) - 4NT (suit quality bid in spades) - 5 (AQxx or Kxxx) - 7
(assuming North dealer)
1 (16+) - 1 (8+ hcp 5+ hearts)- 1NT (relay)- 2 (8-11, balanced or other Major) - 3 (4=5=3=1) - 4C (RKC ) - 4 (2 no queen) - 4NT (suit quality bid in spades) - 5 (AQxx or Kxxx) - 7
Oct. 18, 2013
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Handling voids as Captain; as you've already asked RKC you should know if they hold A or not and if it is still ambiguous you're likely to be able to work it out by asking suit quality in other suits - in reality it really doesn't tend to be a problem. We also have the ability to to have exclusion blackwood once full distribution is known (another big plus for having 4 as a sign-off bid) by jumping (or bypassing) the ‘normal’ RKCB bids.
We also use the sign-off bid constructively as well eg. if 3NT is available and you use 4 to ‘sign-off’ in 4NT this can now be used as Quantitative .. handy in those auctions where there's a big flat hands opposite a 1 bid flat hand where you're in the small slam territory.
Oct. 13, 2013
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The Polish suit quality bids work very well as ‘captain’ has a very good picture of ‘slaves’ hand in terms of keycards/points and I've not come across an instance where its not known the difference between Q/AK or K/AQ etc. it also has the minor added benefit that the exact controls are not given ie. opponents don't know until they see (usually) dummy whether it was a ‘Q or AK’.
As you may have noticed from the above sequence we're also not ‘as the book’ (I believe Groetheim/Tundal now play it this way also) in terms of we've switched the meanings of the positive responses after 1 so;
1-1 = spades or 15+ balanced, 1=1 = hearts, 1-2 = unbalanced with long diamonds, 1-2 = unbalanced with long clubs .. this is just an attempt to right side the contract (obviously clubs have already been pinched but it now works really well for diamonds and spades as the next relay is the next step up - a la transfer) - in the case of hearts we can go two ways:
1-1-1NT = standard VP tell me more relay
1-1-2 = normal precision ‘gamma’ ask (it also usually right sides the contract) which we mainly use when holding a fit.
Oct. 13, 2013
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Sorry, I think i could have done a better job of explaining our methods. If familiar with Viking you're probably familiar up to the 3 in the above sequence. By means of explanation .. with reference to the above auction, In continuation .. 3NT = would be to play, 4 = RKC in hearts (longest suit), 4 = sign-off by asking partner to puppet to 4 which is then pass/corrected to the contract in which the ‘captain’ wishes to play, 4 = RKC in spades (second longest suit and the bid I made in the above sequence .. it also sets trumps and only a bid of 6NT/7NT or a jump to 7 of a suit can stop us playing in spades], 4 = RKC in diamonds [third longest suit), 4NT = RKC in clubs (fourth longest).
In addition to the Polish style suit quality asking bids we also use 4NT/5NT as a trump queen asking bid (assuming it isn't already known, if the queen is known then it comes available as a regular step in the Polish style asking bid) the steps are:- first step = rubbish, second step = queen but denying the jack and third step = Queen + Jack.
In addition should, for example, ‘captain’ RKC in spades and ‘slave’ answers 1/4 or 3/0 and then captain bids 4 this is a ‘sign off’ if holding 1/0 but forces ‘slave’ to bid on if holding 4/3 and he would bid as if he'd been asked the trump queen asking bid.
Oct. 12, 2013
Simon Hill edited this comment Oct. 12, 2013
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Profound apologies only just seen this.
Instead of escaping the relays 4 is always a sign off (asks partner to puppet to 4 as the start of a pass/place final contract) Note: the ‘4 sign off’ bid only comes into play once full distribution is known.
Once trumps have been set the we use Polish style suit asking bids (1st step = rubbish, 2nd step = Q or AK, 3rd step = K or AQ, 4th step = A or KQ, 5th step = AKQ) where the suit asking bid is also based on length suits being ranked H-S-D-C in cases of equal length.
Oct. 12, 2013
Simon Hill edited this comment Oct. 12, 2013
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The strip squeeze doesn't work on a trump lead. You've not enough entries to north hand to enjoy the K. If you rectify the count at trick two with a heart providing west plays low east wins cheaply and exits with a diamond, you now don't have an entry.
Oct. 6, 2013
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My prefered bidding weapon of choice is a modified version of Viking Precision and I'd like to think we'd get there:
1 (16+) - 1 (hearts) - 1NT (relay) - 2 (8-11, two way bid: balanced 5H332 or Hearts with spades) - 2 (relay) - 3 (6+ hearts & 4 spades) - 3 (relay) - 3 (4=6=2=1) - 4 (RKCB-spades) - 4 (1 or 4) - 5 (suit quality bid in hearts) - 6 (AKQxxx) - 7 (can count thirteen tricks).
Oct. 6, 2013
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